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Shitbag Misogynist Plans to Exploit SuicideGirls



The latest installment in the sickening genre of films best described as Torture Porn, Captivity, is scheduled for release later this month, but before it vanishes into the DVD world after two weeks, producer Courtney Solomon plans to exploit SuicideGirls to promote his film.

Having already provoked parents, women’s groups and the ratings board with explicit ads for the coming torture movie “Captivity,” Mr. Solomon and his After Dark Films now intend to introduce the film, set for release July 13, with a party that may set a new standard for the politically incorrect.

For starters, Mr. Solomon has ordered up what he calls the three “most outlandish” SuicideGirls available from the punk porn service, even if they’re as frisky as the ones he is told once set a Portland, OR restaurant on fire. Some lucky fans will get to take the women as dates for party night, July 10, on two conditions: “People take the date at their own risk, and everybody on the Internet gets to watch.”

When did artistic nudity become known as pornography? Did I miss a memo? And when did SuicideGirls become a service? Are we offering outcall massage now?

In his remarks to the New York Times, Solomon comes across as a repugnant misogynist:

As Mr. Solomon envisions it, individuals in torture gear will wander through the West Hollywood club Privilege grabbing partygoers. All of which is a prelude to an undisclosed main event that, he warned last week over slices of pizza a few doors from his company’s new offices on the Sunset Strip, is “probably not legal.”

“The women’s groups definitely will love it,” Mr. Solomon hinted. “I call it my personal little tribute to them.”

Any Suicide Girls who are contacted for this "promotion" should tell him to go fuck himself. SuicideGirls is about empowering women, not about letting scumbags like Solomon exploit them to glorify violence against women.


SG Editorial: Wil let us know how he feels about Gorn in general and this promotion in particular. Here to share her thoughts is Missy Suicide:

First let me state that I am happy to read Wil's commentary and glad that the SG Newswire can be a meeting ground for debate. While I definitely appreciate Wil's opinion and feel that he should share his feelings, I personally do not see anything wrong with the girls going out on a chaperoned date to a movie premiere. Many of the SGs are fans of horror films -- even torture porn horror films -- and would probably have interesting things to say about the film. While I do agree with Wil that SuicideGirls is not pornography and shouldn't be referred to as such, that misnomer is Captivity producer Mr. Soloman's biggest offense and an important distinction that I will discuss with him.

He is planning a crazy Hollywood party full of debauchery but I don't think that puts the SuicideGirls at risk of anything they wouldn't encounter on their own during a night out on the town. They will have a chaperone and the date will be broadcast on the Internet putting them at even less risk for physical or emotional harm than most church social attendees.

The girls on the other hand have free reign to do whatever they feel like. I would be far more worried about the person they are going out on a date with than the girls themselves, having partied with a few of the ladies myself and after hearing Nixon's account of sending a roller blader to the hospital on the first tour DVD. And while "Blind Date" was not my favorite show, I was not worried about SG Bee when she was set up on a date with a midget. She had a fun time and made some money for being on TV. The girls who attend will have a fun time, get to go to a Hollywood party and be paid well to have their evening broadcast.

We have done promotions with Courtney in the past and, while he is not afraid of controversy, I don't think that makes him a bad person. I believe in people's rights to freedom of expression and don't see what it so wrong about pushing boundaries. No one is forcing anyone to see the movie. Adults should be able to make up their own mind about what they see and what they don't.

Personally, I love horror movies. Being scared is one of my favorite things; I scream like a little girl and throw popcorn around and it is fun times. I have not seen this movie yet so I can't say if I like it or not, but my taste in horror movies is embarrassingly bad so you probably shouldn't take my opinion anyway. I will watch everything from creepy Japanese horror like Ichi the Killer and the Korean movie Old Boy that are just disturbingly fucked up, to big Hollywood blockbusters. I even liked a Michael Keaton vehicle called White Noise because it made me scream. I do have to admit I initially saw it because I thought it had something to do with the Don DeLillo book of the same name but, once I found out that dead people could talk to me through electronic static, I was in anyway.

We have worked with After Dark in the past and plan to work with them in the future. Last year's contest for Miss Horrorfest had a ton of SuicideGirl contestants and they all seemed to enjoy the experience. While it might not be for everyone and certainly no girl will be forced to participate, I don't really think that there is anything wrong with a win a date to a party contest. I appreciate Wil's stance and think each girl should decide for herself if she wants to be involved.
-Missy

 

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Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 26, 2007 07:00 PM

If he asked me to do something like that, I'd punch that sexist hack in his fucking balls. I'm already depressed enough that the director of Captivity went from making something like "The Killing Fields" to making yet another stupid torture porn fiick.

I think Wheaton and FTR made some great points in this thread. And that Joss Whedon essay was golden.

Jennifer_

Jennifer_

Venezuela
November 2006

JUN 26, 2007 07:00 PM

TedKoppel said:
The other thing I disagree with the way you phrased it - I don't think they are "trying" to convince women of anything. The problem to me is much more that they aren't thinking about women at all, beyond that if you have a hot woman or popular actress in with the men, ticket prices go up.



_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUN 26, 2007 07:05 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
I always find it odd how squeamish people are about the P-word, and how they assume that artistic erotica therefore cannot at one and the same time be called (soft-core) "pornography".



Pornography's just a word but it's been dragged through the mud by the people out there who exploit it. The opportunist types, the Girl Gone Wild dipshit for an easy example. I can see why people would be defensive about putting SG.com on the same level as that bullshit, because it's not.

But it is just a word. How about artistic-pornography?

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUN 26, 2007 07:06 PM

thrash242 said:
SG is porn. Get over it.



That is true, even though I spend more time here reading articles and political and social discussions than I do looking at tits. It gives me mind-boners.

Drago

Drago

Philadelphia, PA
January 2004

JUN 26, 2007 07:07 PM

Metaverse said:

FearTheReaper said:

Drago said:
Whatever, I'm seeing that movie on the day it comes out.

Why is Wil Wheaton writing about movies anyway? I thought he usually talks about video games and gadgets.



That's a really good point. He should not be allowed to have an opinion outside of "gadgets."

You, however, should be allowed to scream your evolved opinion from the top of a mountain every fucking day.



lol..well said.

drago..keep searching...you may find a clue......someday.



You're right. I should have been more clear about what I was thinking.

The previous Wil Wheaton articles that I have read have been about video games and technology and the culture that surrounds them, so I thought those were the topics that he was here to write about, because he has an expert opinion on those subjects.

The question that I should have asked was, why is SuicideGirls choosing to put his opinion of their movie promotion in the newsfeed of the site, when they could just as easily reject it. The answer is obviously so that Missy could add her counter-point and so they could stir up some discussion and controversy, and promote the movie and the party even more.

I hadn't heard of this promotion before Wil said that he didn't like it, and now I have. Probably a lot of you guys hadn't heard of it and now you have, so their plan worked.

gillycat

gillycat

USA
March 2006

JUN 26, 2007 07:11 PM

more from Joss Whedon under the spoiler

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

From: Joss Whedon
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:17 PM
To: Advertising
Subject: CAPTIVITY BILLBOARDS/REMOVE THE RATING

To the MPAA,
There's a message I'm supposed to cut and paste but I imagine you've read it. So just let me say that the ad campaign for "Captivity" is not only a literal sign of the collapse of humanity, it's an assault. I've watched plenty of horror - in fact I've made my share. But the advent of torture-porn and the total dehumanizing not just of women (though they always come first) but of all human beings has made horror a largely unpalatable genre. This ad campaign is part of something dangerous and repulsive, and that act of aggression has to be answered.

As a believer not only in the First Amendment but of the necessity of horror stories, I've always been against acts of censorship. I distrust anyone who wants to ban something 'for the good of the public'. But this ad is part of a cycle of violence and misogyny that takes something away from the people who have to see it. It's like being mugged (and I have been). These people flouted the basic rules of human decency. God knows the culture led them there, but we have to find our way back and we have to make them know that people will not stand for this. And the only language they speak is money. (A devastating piece in the New Yorker - not gonna do it.) So talk money. Remove the rating, and let them see how far over the edge they really are.

Thanks for reading this, if anyone did.
Sincerely, Joss Whedon.
Creator, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
source

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 26, 2007 07:12 PM

A lot of people would have heard about it anyway, especially people that actually read the boards. I'm sure if any girls do girl they'll be writing about it in their journals, and apparently footage of the dates is meant to be available to be viewed on the internet. This hardly would have faded into utter obsurity without Wheaton's article.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUN 26, 2007 07:13 PM

Drago said:
...The question that I should have asked was, why is SuicideGirls choosing to put his opinion of their movie promotion in the newsfeed of the site, when they could just as easily reject it. The answer is obviously so that Missy could add her counter-point and so they could stir up some discussion and controversy, and promote the movie and the party even more.

I hadn't heard of this promotion before Wil said that he didn't like it, and now I have. Probably a lot of you guys hadn't heard of it and now you have, so their plan worked.



I don't know if I'd take your opinion on marketing and this site since you referred to SuicideGirls as, not only as a single person, but a guy at that.

You know, not everything has to have an angle.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 26, 2007 07:14 PM

KUNGFOO said:

Drago said:
...The question that I should have asked was, why is SuicideGirls choosing to put his opinion of their movie promotion in the newsfeed of the site, when they could just as easily reject it. The answer is obviously so that Missy could add her counter-point and so they could stir up some discussion and controversy, and promote the movie and the party even more.

I hadn't heard of this promotion before Wil said that he didn't like it, and now I have. Probably a lot of you guys hadn't heard of it and now you have, so their plan worked.



I don't know if I'd take your opinion on marketing and this site since you referred to SuicideGirls as, not only as a single person, but a guy at that.

You know, not everything has to have an angle.



Not that I agree wtih Drago in that post, but I am pretty sure that highlighted bit is meant to mean "why is SuicideGirls choosing to put his (as in Wheaton's) opinion". He's not refererring to the site as a him, he's referring to the writer of this article as a him.

It_Thing_Hard_On

It_Thing_Hard_On

Humptulips, WA
November 2003

JUN 26, 2007 07:15 PM

TedKoppel said:

It_Thing_Hard_On said:
Oh for Pete's sake, it's a movie that glorifies violence wholly indiscriminate of gender bias. It might not be a great film (in fact all signs point to it being nothing we haven't seen before). But if we all start drawing lines of what is or isn't, should or should not be off limits then you had damn well better bring a mighty big set of markers with you because you've got your work cut out for ya.

And not to put too fine a point on it, but the woman is one of two captives. The other is a male. Not sure if this effects your "egregious misogyny" stance.


Okay, so there's defending your movie of choice and then there's just being obtuse. It is not indiscriminate of gender bias. It's a hot woman being tortured by a killer - practically every horror movie has this, and while they usually have a few men who get killed around, there is a clear focus on women in peril. In more recent years, aware of this cliche, filmmakers have taken to exploiting it by having the woman ultimately be the one to take down the killer, but they remain focused on the women nonetheless. That this routinely happens horror movies is significant, and with this movie in particular, the clear focus from the poster and trailers is a woman in peril - I didn't even know about the man involved, and apparently the filmmakers and marketing department felt that I did not need to. Also significant.

And the link between killing and sexuality in these movies has always been really troublesome to me. Every time one comes out, people are all, "Hooray, tits!" And it turns out that yes, I see the girl's tits in Hostel II - while she's hanging upside-down and covered in blood and screaming. Hooray.

(Also the fact that it's the girl from Welcome to the Dollhouse just makes me frown )



I'm not about to defend the horror genre in general. Number one there's no clear way of going about it. And secondly it's a losing battle.

Drago

Drago

Philadelphia, PA
January 2004

JUN 26, 2007 07:21 PM

KUNGFOO said:

Drago said:
...The question that I should have asked was, why is SuicideGirls choosing to put his opinion of their movie promotion in the newsfeed of the site, when they could just as easily reject it. The answer is obviously so that Missy could add her counter-point and so they could stir up some discussion and controversy, and promote the movie and the party even more.

I hadn't heard of this promotion before Wil said that he didn't like it, and now I have. Probably a lot of you guys hadn't heard of it and now you have, so their plan worked.



I don't know if I'd take your opinion on marketing and this site since you referred to SuicideGirls as, not only as a single person, but a guy at that.

You know, not everything has to have an angle.



My mistake again. It should have read "..why are the group of people in charge of the website called SuicideGirls.com choosing to put Wil Wheaton's opinion..."

You are right that not everything has an angle, but in my opinion most things that are involved in marketing and promotion have angles.

Saraah

Saraah

Los Angeles, CA
March 2007

JUN 26, 2007 07:22 PM

Drago said:
The question that I should have asked was, why is SuicideGirls choosing to put his opinion of their movie promotion in the newsfeed of the site, when they could just as easily reject it. The answer is obviously so that Missy could add her counter-point and so they could stir up some discussion and controversy, and promote the movie and the party even more.

I hadn't heard of this promotion before Wil said that he didn't like it, and now I have. Probably a lot of you guys hadn't heard of it and now you have, so their plan worked.



Newswire columnists and writers can line up their articles to be published all by themselves, prior to being read by anyone else. Wil did so, Missy read it, Missy responded. It was published.

As you say, SuicideGirls could easily have "rejected" this article. Would you be more comfortable if they had? I wouldn't.

For what it's worth, the little STAFF thing under my name refers to my position as the marketing VP for SuicideGirls. If this was a big marketing conspiracy/plan, I'd know about it. Hell, I'd have thought it up.

Carry on.

Rockoval

Rockoval

I'm lost
July 2006

JUN 26, 2007 07:24 PM

KUNGFOO said:

thrash242 said:
SG is porn. Get over it.



That is true, even though I spend more time here reading articles and political and social discussions than I do looking at tits. It gives me mind-boners.



Mind-Boner. That would be an awesome band name!

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JUN 26, 2007 07:26 PM

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUN 26, 2007 07:26 PM

Here is the Captivity billboard people were upset about.

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It was pulled

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