Whatever, I'm seeing that movie on the day it comes out.

Why is Wil Wheaton writing about movies anyway? I thought he usually talks about video games and gadgets.

Umm, guys, while all this debate is healthy, it's just a movie. It's light projected upon a screen. That's all.

What I find shocking is that Roland Joffe, director of The Killing Fields and The Mission, both very well-made and powerful films, is directing this, a 'torture porn' film, which is a genre that has played out its welcome (I point my finger @ 9/11 for birthing the genre). That being said, I'll probably go and see, if just for Cuthbert.

Wait...what?

That's a really good point. He should not be allowed to have an opinion outside of "gadgets."

You, however, should be allowed to scream your evolved opinion from the top of a mountain every fucking day.

ugh, stupid hollywood shit like this makes me sick

I feel like what missy was saying was:

free marketing? count us in.

Good point, Shalome. count me as a woman who is disgusted by it.

lol..well said.

drago..keep searching...you may find a clue......someday.

The whole women in peril thing in horror has been hacky for quite a while now. I'm pretty bored with it. My problem with these torture movies is that they don't really make me feel afraid. I think, "Ew, that's gross" and then there's pretty much nothing left for me. Certainly that's how I felt about Ichi the Killer - that movie doesn't even, so far as I could tell, have any sort of subversive message going on in it. But so many horror movies seem to come down to some sexy woman running from a killer. It gets really old.

I must confess one exception to the rule: The Last House on the Left. While parts of that movie are really cheesy and weird, there's a rape/murder that absolutely destroys me. Because I found it to be emotional and upsetting, showing the actual violence of the act, not making it "sexy" or glorifying it, I was all the more disturbed and actually appreciated it for what it was.

holy shit that's hilarious. well put FTR...

Oh for Pete's sake, it's a movie that glorifies violence wholly indiscriminate of gender bias. It might not be a great film (in fact all signs point to it being nothing we haven't seen before). But if we all start drawing lines of what is or isn't, should or should not be off limits then you had damn well better bring a mighty big set of markers with you because you've got your work cut out for ya.

And not to put too fine a point on it, but the woman is one of two captives. The other is a male. Not sure if this effects your "egregious misogyny" stance.

"After struggling to keep her mind, she meets with Gary, another prisoner in the sick games and together they try their wits to escape from the cells and defeat the madman behind the sick games- but are they already too late when they are bound, gagged and thrust into a world of pain?"

so yeah
a guy gets tortured in this too

sure he's not the main character
but you know. . . .

Yeah! You Tell `em Wil! I've got your back!


(Missy, sign me up for this....seriously. I can wear rollerblades)

The idea of Hostel II turned my stomach much more than this piece of crap did. Women being captured for the purpose of torture and murder is rather sickening because it is an everyday occurance.

I thought the same of Captivity but when I saw the trailer I thought the movie looked like a kidnapping held in the road runner's ACME factory. A girl battles the world of gadgets (hey, wait, it's Wil's terrirory again! Yay!) And the "twist" is obvious. The dude who is trapped with her is obviously the kidnapper. Idiotic. And I hope that ruins the movie for anyone who wants to see it.

I'm not sure if either of these movies are cases of mysogeny, however, as much as they are of the total lack of morality in Hollywood, coupled with the desire to "top" the last guy. I love horror movies, I love the blood and guts, but these two have gone a bit too far.

But then, that, of course brings me back to why do I draw the line at girls being cut up and murdered and not guys, as was done in Hostel !? And the answer is simple. Because it happens so often. Green River Killer, the Hollwood Hills Stranglers, Ted Bundy, the Ipswich Killer, on and on.

The SGs can obviously make their own choices and do what they want. This, does seem to be an odd choice, considering the material and the publicity surrounding the previous billboards. It is a creepy line we are now crossing and we want those people we consider to be on "our" side to make the "right" choice. But not every person will see the movie the same way, and some women will not be offended at all.

And doesn't Wil just cover videos and board games?

Ichi the Killer is a masterpiece. Nothing subversive about it, but the message, that "nerd rage" can be channeled into a super-power used to kill gangsters... is absolutely perfect.