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  • MONDAY JUNE 4 2007 11:00 AM

When the Internet Sucks



During my morning blog rounds today, I ran across this post on one of my favorite take-no-prisoners feminist blogs, about a young pole vaulter (a California Interscholastic Federation champ, with a 13'7" career best vault and five national records--damn!) who became an internet celebrity when a photo of her was posted (without permission from her or the photographer, by the way) on a sports blog along with the following comments:

Hubba hubba and other grunting sounds.

. . . as best as I can tell from my rudimentary Internet sleuthing, Allison turned 18 less than two months ago, and she's still a senior at Newport Harbor, which last time I checked -- and I check often -- is a high school. Writing these kinds of posts are precisely why I keep getting mysterious, threatening voicemails from someone that sounds like Chris Hansen. "I'll get you, Ufford!" "You disgust me, sicko!" "Seriously, put some pants on." Et cetera and so on.

Oh, and there's also this: Miss Stokke is one of the best young pole vaulters in the country. She set the U.S. record for a freshman girl at 12'8", and her present personal best is a couple inches off the best high school girls mark. So, that's why I'm honoring her with a post. Because she's an exceptional athlete. Yes.

. . . she takes pole vaulting so seriously that she's unable to detect sarcasm. Which is too bad, because missing sarcastic remarks ends our steamy, illicit romance before it's even begun. That, and the age difference. And the restraining order.


The sports blogger has since posted an apology--of sorts--and a request that his readers "treat (the pole vaulter*) with respect." But by his own admission, his tendency to virtually leer at women athletes is kinda gross.

The pole vaulter and her family certainly think so: realizing that her pics had gone around the world and that there were "unofficial fan sites" about how "hot" she is and the like, they decided not to just take it lying down, but to try to get the pics and comments off the internet. Obviously a futile goal, but they've had some success: the unofficial fan site is down, with an apology to the pole vaulter "for having contributed to the unwanted attention"--a classy move. And, with the help of the WaPo article linked above, her story's started a bit of internet self-examination about an obvious problem: the ability of online publicity to make public figures of private people, often in degrading, embarrassing, or even threatening ways.

According to the WaPo, the pole vaulter had been getting tons of phone calls and comments on her MySpace page; gets started at when she goes out; tries not to leave the house alone; and her dad tries to keep on top of "potential stalkers" on the internet. All of which are, alas, real problems, as Kathy Sierra, among others (including yours truly) can testify.

For a lot of people, the upshot of this kind of thing is "eh, what can you do: assholes exist." Which is true. But for people who get caught in the asshole vortex, that's not a particularly helpful response. As the pole vaulter says remarkably clearly,

Even if none of it is illegal, it just all feels really demeaning.


This is the thing. Promising athletes, tech and academic bloggers, and fat kids caught on video, really shouldn't have to have their names and images dragged through the mud. And we really shouldn't shrug when it happens, any more than we should shrug when people are targeted by stalkers in "real," non-internet life. There may be little one can do about it legally (although I really do think that cases like the pole vaulting thing should be covered somehow under internet stalking laws), but surely there are things we can do about it morally, as members of a human community.

The bottom line for civil society really isn't what you can get away with under the law. On the internet, in particular, there's a fiercely independent streak that tends to boil things down to arguments that one's freedom to say whatever the hell one wants is the most important moral value. But y'know, we might occasionally do a little cost/benefit analysis: is a sports blogger's right to talk about how hawt a pole vaulter is *really* more important than her right not to be harassed? Is the hilarity of passing around YouTube videos of fat little kids really worth what it must feel like to be a fat little kid with the entire internet pointing at you and laughing? Are we really incapable of understanding the difference between laughing with someone and laughing at them?

And hey, when we make mistakes and it turns out someone we think is in on the joke doesn't find it funny, the least we could do is offer a proper apology and, if necessary, pull the links.

Bitch_PhD has certainly been guilty of using the internet to say bitchy things she'd never say to someone's face, but this story has made her think that she should try to be better about this.

 

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missbusk

missbusk

Seattle, WA
December 2005

JUN 04, 2007 06:58 PM

Creepy. Its kinda fucked up because this kid is getting loads more attention the more that people read about it. But soon enough, some other "hot piece of barely legal ass" will come around and distract all the idiots away from her and on to obsessing over someone else.
It doesn't make it right, but if she blends into the woodwork, it'll eventually go away.

Glaive

Glaive

Dallas, TX
December 2003

JUN 04, 2007 07:01 PM

"is a sports blogger's right to talk about how hawt a pole vaulter is *really* more important than her right not to be harassed?"

Talking about how hot someone is is NOT harassment. When photographers are hiding in her bushes taking pictures, papparazzi are going through her trash, and strange people are loitering around her house then she's being harassed.

There are pictures of me on the Internet. If I was amazingly hot (which I'm not) someone would invariably pass the photo to someone else, and so on. This could very well lead to my image being "well-known" on the Internet, with lots of individuals staring at me and thinking dirty thoughts.

Is that "demeaning" to me? Hell no. How is someone thinking I'm attractive demeaning, even if they are creepy. If anything, I could find that flattering.

She has a legal right to privacy and protection from the types of direct harassment that I described above, but when her personal information is released to the press (and that's all public record, sorry) along with images that were taken IN PUBLIC of her in skin tight clothing, what the hell does she expect? Is she totally ignorant of the existence of the web?

People's private sex tapes end up on the Internet. You can be damn sure that pictures of a hot chick taken for the normal press or at a public event are going to make the rounds on countless websites. To think otherwise is naive beyond words.

And for you to say what I quoted above -- apparently implying that we should consider censoring the free press and, heaven forbid, the Internet, the world's sole bastion of free expression and unlimited information exchange, all so a girl can be free of the consequences of her actions and the realities of life in human society?

Fuck you, seriously. I know you mean well, I really do, but that's the type of thinking that leads to oppressive Big Brother government. That mindset is what leads us to the idea of government as a parent, protecting our fragile little emotions from all the bad things like we're infants, resulting in a world where no one can say or do anything.

If you want to argue that people might want to consider the consequences of their actions on the Internet on a personal level, specifically how circulating pictures or information might hurt the people involved, then that's totally fine, but the instant you even remotely suggest that there should be limitations placed on someone's freedom then you are taking an aggressive action against my rights under the U.S. Constitution.

If that doesn't make sense to you, read a history book, particularly what MLK had to say on the subject of injustice.

DownNeck

DownNeck

Jersey City, NJ
March 2006

JUN 04, 2007 07:38 PM

good article, f'real. i totally agree that there should be market-driven consequences for the smarmy blogger jerkoff. a boycott or some such

although his speech is protected under the constitution and i'll not say there should be any form of legal ramifications, since i'm pretty sure posting "hubba hubba hubba" on the interwebs doesn't constitute harassment

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

JUN 04, 2007 09:28 PM

PointBlank said:

Jenni said:
Does this mean I can't perve over the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo and Andy Roddick anymore?


No, because she's actually good at her sport.



So what about Fernando Alonso of Formula One? First place two years and running! Eh? EH? blush

In regards to the actual article: ugh. The internet sure is strange.

BDeyeD

BDeyeD

Toronto, ON
January 2007

JUN 04, 2007 10:03 PM

Glaive said:

She has a legal right to privacy and protection from the types of direct harassment that I described above, but when her personal information is released to the press (and that's all public record, sorry) along with images that were taken IN PUBLIC of her in skin tight clothing, what the hell does she expect? Is she totally ignorant of the existence of the web?

People's private sex tapes end up on the Internet. You can be damn sure that pictures of a hot chick taken for the normal press or at a public event are going to make the rounds on countless websites. To think otherwise is naive beyond words.



Yeah, why wouldn't your average teenager who isn't a celebrity expect sexualized pics of themselves to wind up on the internet? How naive of her to compete in sports wearing clothing that facilitates aerodynamics. What a slut. whatever

Tallboy66

Tallboy66

Chicago, IL
January 2005

JUN 04, 2007 10:20 PM

PointBlank said:

Tallboy66 said:
The picture taking wasn't wrong and if she's uncomfortable with attention from being a great athlete she should quit now.

On the other hand sexy,barely legal type comments are not needed.



Did you read the article at all? The picture taking isn't in question. Neither is her standing as an athlete.



I did read it and read it again and ..."Stokke read on message boards that dozens of anonymous strangers had turned her picture into the background image on their computers. She felt violated. It was like becoming the victim of a crime, Stokke said. Her body had been stolen and turned into a public commodity, critiqued in fan forums devoted to everything from hip-hop to Hollywood."

So she's uncomfortable with her picture being taken and circulated through the internet and some one thinking she's hot.
If you don't want you're picture taken don't go out where it can be taken.

It's not like they photoshopped her head onto a porn stars naked body.




BDeyeD

BDeyeD

Toronto, ON
January 2007

JUN 04, 2007 10:26 PM

Tallboy66 said:

PointBlank said:

Tallboy66 said:
The picture taking wasn't wrong and if she's uncomfortable with attention from being a great athlete she should quit now.

On the other hand sexy,barely legal type comments are not needed.



Did you read the article at all? The picture taking isn't in question. Neither is her standing as an athlete.



I did read it and read it again and ..."Stokke read on message boards that dozens of anonymous strangers had turned her picture into the background image on their computers. She felt violated. It was like becoming the victim of a crime, Stokke said. Her body had been stolen and turned into a public commodity, critiqued in fan forums devoted to everything from hip-hop to Hollywood."

So she's uncomfortable with her picture being taken and circulated through the internet and some one thinking she's hot.
If you don't want you're picture taken don't go out where it can be taken.

It's not like they photoshopped her head onto a porn stars naked body.



Don't go out where your picture can be taken? You mean, like, outside? Wtf is this, Afghanistan? Go fuck yourself.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

JUN 04, 2007 10:31 PM

Tallboy66 said:

If you don't want you're picture taken don't go out where it can be taken.



good luck trying to do anything memorable or exceptional in life then.

oh wait, never mind, just wait two years, we'll be able to google earth into her apartment.

thirty degrees left, enhance. enhance. enhance.
oh yeah!

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

JUN 04, 2007 11:26 PM

dammit!
i hadta. i hadta go see! bitch NOT mentioning her name made me more curious.

it has special cognitave dissonance here on SG, since im used to women wanting people to look at them. but youre right, this is pretty lame. the first message board post i saw was crude, it went downhill.

also, she has a beautiful seriousness when she's focused on the sport, but the pictures where she smiles she really looks young. and to the prople saying she wears too little? whatever. she could be covered in cloth from neck to knees, people are still gonna perv.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

JUN 04, 2007 11:28 PM

If you think this sucks, you should head over to SA more often.

On a lighter note, "pole vaulter" is a hilarious title no matter who holds it.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

JUN 04, 2007 11:42 PM

Poptard said:
If you think this sucks, you should head over to SA more often.

On a lighter note, "pole vaulter" is a hilarious title no matter who holds it.



I used to go to SA. i know how they roll.

these arent anonymous people, though. this is a easily recognizable young girl who is going to get minor press attention because shes good at her sport. this isnt a one time fat chick wearing party hats deal.

the more the internet fixates on her, the more potographers know they will be able to sell her photos. the more photos sold, the more invasive photographers will become. repeating cycle.

seriously, ive never known a pole vaulter by name. its a minor sport (olympic, sure, but so is flag dancing) the cycle has little to do with her sport and more with her beauty.

Bitch_PhD

Bitch_PhD

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 04, 2007 11:59 PM

DownNeck said:
good article, f'real. i totally agree that there should be market-driven consequences for the smarmy blogger jerkoff. a boycott or some such

although his speech is protected under the constitution and i'll not say there should be any form of legal ramifications, since i'm pretty sure posting "hubba hubba hubba" on the interwebs doesn't constitute harassment



I dunno. It's harassment when some asshole drives by in a car and catcalls; why wouldn't it be when some asshole does pretty much the same thing online? If she wanted his opinion, she'd have asked.

Girthy

Girthy

Canoga Park, CA
July 2005

JUN 05, 2007 12:10 AM

Necia said:

Girthy said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
God damn, I just said I found her attractive, and ya'll wanna jump down my throat. I wasn't makin' any lude comments. I wasn't making any sexual innuendos. I just said she's hot. Then I posted a picture of a dude wearing a shirt with a slogan referring towards her outstanding athleticism. God, I must be some kind of perverted monster! Give me a break.

Furthermore, if she was really that concerned about this girl, she would have omitted her full name from the article.




SPOILERS! (Click to view)
I don't know you, but I'm going to err on the side of presuming basic intelligence and say that you can't possibly be oblivious enough not to realize that reading an article about a freaked-out high school girl who's suddenly found herself plastered all over the internet with lewd sexual comments attached to her photos and people obsessing over her hotness and people fucking filming her talking to her coach and posting the film on YouTube and people approaching her in public because they've seen her pictures all over the internet, and then responding with a statement like, "Well, I mean, she is hot," is rather insensitive and asshole-ish and kind of the whole problem with the hoopla surrounding this girl in the first place.

She's eighteen, for fuck's sake. The world is a less safe place for young women than it is for men, particularly when it comes to sex. I don't see how anyone can miss the fact that, unintentionally or not, responses just like yours exponentially multiplied all over cyberspace have her feeling scared and threatened, and legitimately so.



Did I film her? No. Am I stalking her? No. Did I know anything about the girl or her problem until I read this article? Nope. I just said that she is an attractive girl, which is more of an obvious observation.

Ideally I shouldn't have even known about this story, considering that the main offenders all backed down as per her wishes. MissPhD was nice enough to bring it to the SuicideGirls community though. You gotta pay the bills somehow I guess.

Bitch_PhD

Bitch_PhD

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 05, 2007 12:21 AM

Girthy said:
Did I film her? No. Am I stalking her? No. Did I know anything about the girl or her problem until I read this article? Nope. I just said that she is an attractive girl, which is more of an obvious observation.

Ideally I shouldn't have even known about this story, considering that the main offenders all backed down as per her wishes. MissPhD was nice enough to bring it to the SuicideGirls community though. You gotta pay the bills somehow I guess.



Man up, Girthy. You said it, no one made you, and not being a stalker is kind of a low bar to set for yourself.

Trahern

Trahern

United Kingdom
March 2003

JUN 05, 2007 04:54 AM

Ogling athletes has been around for thousands of years. It probably will survive the fall of this civilisation and the rise of the next, as it has before. It would take some major cultural upheaval to change it. The only issue is the manner in which it's done.

In what is arguably a more decadant age, the possibility of anything you do ending up online may be the new way for coming generations to reign in their own misbehaviour. The 21st century gentleman will be someone who doesn't have any embarrasing footage of themselves on the internet.

...And who the frel wants to look at fat kids on the internet? Are these people not very nice, or just plain bored?

*doesn't check the girl in question out to see what everyone's going on about*

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