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  • MONDAY JUNE 4 2007 11:00 AM

When the Internet Sucks



During my morning blog rounds today, I ran across this post on one of my favorite take-no-prisoners feminist blogs, about a young pole vaulter (a California Interscholastic Federation champ, with a 13'7" career best vault and five national records--damn!) who became an internet celebrity when a photo of her was posted (without permission from her or the photographer, by the way) on a sports blog along with the following comments:

Hubba hubba and other grunting sounds.

. . . as best as I can tell from my rudimentary Internet sleuthing, Allison turned 18 less than two months ago, and she's still a senior at Newport Harbor, which last time I checked -- and I check often -- is a high school. Writing these kinds of posts are precisely why I keep getting mysterious, threatening voicemails from someone that sounds like Chris Hansen. "I'll get you, Ufford!" "You disgust me, sicko!" "Seriously, put some pants on." Et cetera and so on.

Oh, and there's also this: Miss Stokke is one of the best young pole vaulters in the country. She set the U.S. record for a freshman girl at 12'8", and her present personal best is a couple inches off the best high school girls mark. So, that's why I'm honoring her with a post. Because she's an exceptional athlete. Yes.

. . . she takes pole vaulting so seriously that she's unable to detect sarcasm. Which is too bad, because missing sarcastic remarks ends our steamy, illicit romance before it's even begun. That, and the age difference. And the restraining order.


The sports blogger has since posted an apology--of sorts--and a request that his readers "treat (the pole vaulter*) with respect." But by his own admission, his tendency to virtually leer at women athletes is kinda gross.

The pole vaulter and her family certainly think so: realizing that her pics had gone around the world and that there were "unofficial fan sites" about how "hot" she is and the like, they decided not to just take it lying down, but to try to get the pics and comments off the internet. Obviously a futile goal, but they've had some success: the unofficial fan site is down, with an apology to the pole vaulter "for having contributed to the unwanted attention"--a classy move. And, with the help of the WaPo article linked above, her story's started a bit of internet self-examination about an obvious problem: the ability of online publicity to make public figures of private people, often in degrading, embarrassing, or even threatening ways.

According to the WaPo, the pole vaulter had been getting tons of phone calls and comments on her MySpace page; gets started at when she goes out; tries not to leave the house alone; and her dad tries to keep on top of "potential stalkers" on the internet. All of which are, alas, real problems, as Kathy Sierra, among others (including yours truly) can testify.

For a lot of people, the upshot of this kind of thing is "eh, what can you do: assholes exist." Which is true. But for people who get caught in the asshole vortex, that's not a particularly helpful response. As the pole vaulter says remarkably clearly,

Even if none of it is illegal, it just all feels really demeaning.


This is the thing. Promising athletes, tech and academic bloggers, and fat kids caught on video, really shouldn't have to have their names and images dragged through the mud. And we really shouldn't shrug when it happens, any more than we should shrug when people are targeted by stalkers in "real," non-internet life. There may be little one can do about it legally (although I really do think that cases like the pole vaulting thing should be covered somehow under internet stalking laws), but surely there are things we can do about it morally, as members of a human community.

The bottom line for civil society really isn't what you can get away with under the law. On the internet, in particular, there's a fiercely independent streak that tends to boil things down to arguments that one's freedom to say whatever the hell one wants is the most important moral value. But y'know, we might occasionally do a little cost/benefit analysis: is a sports blogger's right to talk about how hawt a pole vaulter is *really* more important than her right not to be harassed? Is the hilarity of passing around YouTube videos of fat little kids really worth what it must feel like to be a fat little kid with the entire internet pointing at you and laughing? Are we really incapable of understanding the difference between laughing with someone and laughing at them?

And hey, when we make mistakes and it turns out someone we think is in on the joke doesn't find it funny, the least we could do is offer a proper apology and, if necessary, pull the links.

Bitch_PhD has certainly been guilty of using the internet to say bitchy things she'd never say to someone's face, but this story has made her think that she should try to be better about this.

 

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apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

JUN 04, 2007 03:12 PM

FancyUltraFresh said:
the alt. radio station here [in KC] was talking about this like a week ago. i got curious, so i looked Allison up. and yes, she IS pretty cute.

but the thing that struck me was what she was wearing. yes, i understand that in certain sports certain attire can be benificial. for example, wind resistance on a tshirt would probably be a bad thing in pole vaulting, espesh if you are trying to break records. i get it. but what i don't get is why she feels the need to wear supersuper short shorts and a sports bra. certainly she could buy shorts that were tight, but a little longer and covered her ass cheeks. or an athletic top that was tight but covered her abs.

i am by no means saying that she was asking for all this attention. but i am saying a girl that good-looking must KNOW she's good looking. she's got to have known people would stare, people would goggle, and some people would want in her spandex.


I'll go a step further and say that picture looks like a glamour shot. It's not an action shot. She's not getting ready to run and throw something. It's a pose. Wearing a very revealing outfit. The owner of the photo (whether it's the photog or if she retained ownership) has every right to tell people they can't put it up on some fan site, but it's bullshit for anyone to claim that either the photographer or her or anybody else involved in taking that picture didn't know damn well it was supposed to be sexy and fully intended it to be so.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

JUN 04, 2007 03:23 PM

Wow.

Inside of two full pages we're already blaming Bitch_PhD for drawing more attention to Stokke (way to miss the point) and completely re-classifying the point of the article in the first place.

I don't care if I start sounding like a broken record, but take a step back, folks:

Whether or not she's hot is beside the point. The point, as is often the case in Bitch_PhD's missives, is that there is a dug-in anti-feminism in our society, and it's not okay because it's worse elsewhere. It's not okay because some of us are "just being men."

Here's the real secret: You can be the most lustful, foul-mouthed, filthy-minded individual and still maintain respect for other people as human beings, PERIOD.

I do it every day.

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

JUN 04, 2007 03:26 PM

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hi, i'm the human athletic ideal that has been widely adored since the dawn of civilization. maybe you've heard of me?

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUN 04, 2007 03:38 PM

Seriously. Athletes are fuckin sexy. Male and female. What ? nobody has ever commented about it ? Why exactly are these guys being villianized ?
I'm guessing they are a whole lot more crude than I'd approve of but somehow this doesn't equate to me as some capital crime oppressing women.
She is a champion athlete. No half-assed, stupid comment by any nitwits or others are going to take that away from her and people that matter are always going to respect her for her abilities not because she looked cute in a half top.

Maybe someone would like to freak out about Delinda's web site Hottest male athletes , and her posting of un-endorsed pictures sexualizing and using lust-centric pratices to learn about sports. Disgusting, psssh

Poor girl, successful and famous at just 18. My heart goes out to her. whatever

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

JUN 04, 2007 04:45 PM

d20 said:
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hi, i'm the human athletic ideal that has been widely adored since the dawn of civilization. maybe you've heard of me?



Get my body off your coffee mug!!!!

SouGei

SouGei

Blackwood, NJ
January 2007

JUN 04, 2007 05:07 PM

When you try to get attention, you don't get to pick who gives it to you.

Sports = showbiz.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUN 04, 2007 05:18 PM

Substance said:and it would be nice if legally they could say "you know it's great you snapped these pictures and everything but please don't sell them on mugs kthx." I'm not a lawyer - is that possible?



Absolutely.

A person owns the rights to their own likeness. If she hasn't been paid for the use of her photos on merchandise, she has a right to be.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUN 04, 2007 05:18 PM

aughtstar said:
When you try to get attention, you don't get to pick who gives it to you.

Sports = showbiz.



I know, the heady world of amateur pole-vaulting is huge!

To be honest, I'm tired of Sergei Bubka always being on the cover of People Magazine.

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

JUN 04, 2007 05:29 PM

I'm sympathetic, although frankly I wonder if what she's doing isn't counterproductive. Since there were fan sites popping up and magazine offers and photographers and whatnot, maybe it makes little difference, but as pointed out, a lot of people (such as me) are hearing about this now who may not have otherwise. Since there isn't anything technically illegal about it, I can't imagine that there aren't people unscrupulous enough to run with it.

Who knows. I'm not sure there's absolutely anything you can do once that train gets rolling.

Girthy

Girthy

Canoga Park, CA
July 2005

JUN 04, 2007 05:35 PM

Toku666 said:
Wow.

Inside of two full pages we're already blaming Bitch_PhD for drawing more attention to Stokke (way to miss the point) and completely re-classifying the point of the article in the first place.

I don't care if I start sounding like a broken record, but take a step back, folks:

Whether or not she's hot is beside the point. The point, as is often the case in Bitch_PhD's missives, is that there is a dug-in anti-feminism in our society, and it's not okay because it's worse elsewhere. It's not okay because some of us are "just being men."

Here's the real secret: You can be the most lustful, foul-mouthed, filthy-minded individual and still maintain respect for other people as human beings, PERIOD.

I do it every day.



God damn, I just said I found her attractive, and ya'll wanna jump down my throat. I wasn't makin' any lude comments. I wasn't making any sexual innuendos. I just said she's hot. Then I posted a picture of a dude wearing a shirt with a slogan referring towards her outstanding athleticism. God, I must be some kind of perverted monster! Give me a break.

Furthermore, if she was really that concerned about this girl, she would have omitted her full name from the article.

Bitch_PhD

Bitch_PhD

I'm lost
February 2007

JUN 04, 2007 05:46 PM

Girthy said:

Toku666 said:
Wow.

Inside of two full pages we're already blaming Bitch_PhD for drawing more attention to Stokke (way to miss the point) and completely re-classifying the point of the article in the first place.

I don't care if I start sounding like a broken record, but take a step back, folks:

Whether or not she's hot is beside the point. The point, as is often the case in Bitch_PhD's missives, is that there is a dug-in anti-feminism in our society, and it's not okay because it's worse elsewhere. It's not okay because some of us are "just being men."

Here's the real secret: You can be the most lustful, foul-mouthed, filthy-minded individual and still maintain respect for other people as human beings, PERIOD.

I do it every day.



God damn, I just said I found her attractive, and ya'll wanna jump down my throat. I wasn't makin' any lude comments. I wasn't making any sexual innuendos. I just said she's hot. Then I posted a picture of a dude wearing a shirt with a slogan referring towards her outstanding athleticism. God, I must be some kind of perverted monster! Give me a break.

Furthermore, if she was really that concerned about this girl, she would have omitted her full name from the article.



Guess what? I did.

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

JUN 04, 2007 05:48 PM

Bitch_PhD said:
Guess what? I did.


No point, really, since the Washington Post story you linked to at least had her full name. I would have backed you if you hadn't.

Not that I'm saying that that's worth much, but I would have.

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

JUN 04, 2007 05:48 PM

Girthy said:

God damn, I just said I found her attractive, and ya'll wanna jump down my throat. I wasn't makin' any lude comments. I wasn't making any sexual innuendos. I just said she's hot. Then I posted a picture of a dude wearing a shirt with a slogan referring towards her outstanding athleticism. God, I must be some kind of perverted monster! Give me a break.

Furthermore, if she was really that concerned about this girl, she would have omitted her full name from the article.



I don't know you, but I'm going to err on the side of presuming basic intelligence and say that you can't possibly be oblivious enough not to realize that reading an article about a freaked-out high school girl who's suddenly found herself plastered all over the internet with lewd sexual comments attached to her photos and people obsessing over her hotness and people fucking filming her talking to her coach and posting the film on YouTube and people approaching her in public because they've seen her pictures all over the internet, and then responding with a statement like, "Well, I mean, she is hot," is rather insensitive and asshole-ish and kind of the whole problem with the hoopla surrounding this girl in the first place.

She's eighteen, for fuck's sake. The world is a less safe place for young women than it is for men, particularly when it comes to sex. I don't see how anyone can miss the fact that, unintentionally or not, responses just like yours exponentially multiplied all over cyberspace have her feeling scared and threatened, and legitimately so.

DeadBilly

DeadBilly

Burnt Cabins, PA
February 2004

JUN 04, 2007 05:49 PM

Bitch_PhD said:

Girthy said:
Furthermore, if she was really that concerned about this girl, she would have omitted her full name from the article.



Guess what? I did.



The quote you used uses her first name at one point, and Miss Stokke at another. It's not hard to put two and two together.

dark_armour

dark_armour

Australia
September 2005

JUN 04, 2007 06:56 PM

While it's probably true that this article made a lot of people who hadn't yet heard of Miss Stokke see the pictures posted, if bitchpd hadn't posted the links you would have asked for her proof/references.

I think it would be extremely embarrasing to have photo's and dodgy comments of you posted all over the place. I think also, that I have highschool photo's of my friends and I posing which we trusted would not end up anywhere except in our own photo albums, and that I would not have been at all fussed if I'd found them online.

On the other hand, there's no clear way to stop this without impinging on free speech. It would be nice if we could make it illegal to post unsolicited photos, but that would also make it illegal to post pictures of war crimes, environmental destruction, etc in progress.

Hopefully Miss Stoke can use the publicity to assist her career. We all know how hard it is for female athletes to get decent sponsership.

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