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Maybe She Wanted to be Raped

SATURDAY JUNE 2 2007 2:00 PM

Submitted by Bitch_PhD. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: rape, consent

You may or may not have heard the story about the UK barrister who argued that a 13-year-old girl was "glad of the attention" when she was gang-raped by three boys -- because, after all, she was fat.

Well, now we've got a California DA who refuses to prosecute a gang rape, apparently because

it would be difficult to prove the high school student was too drunk to consent.

Now, admittedly witness testimony can be challenged. But does this sound like a hard-to-prove case?

"We heard and saw a girl tapping on this door in the kitchen saying 'There is a girl in there with eight guys," explains Chief Elk.

They say they tried to get into the room, but were confronted by a baseball player.

"[He said] 'Mind your own business; she wants to be in here' and slams the door," says Grolle.

What they saw through a crack in the door horrified them.

"When I looked in, I saw about ten pairs of legs surrounding a girl, lying on the mattress on the floor and a guy on top of her with his pants down and his hips thrusting on top of her," recall Chief Elk. "And when I saw that I knew immediately something wasn't right. It just didn't look right."

"I saw that this young girl did not want to be in there, and that's when we just went 'We're getting this girl out of there,'" says Grolle.

April and Lauren -- along with a third soccer player named Lauren Breayans -- broke down the door and were shocked with what they found.

"This poor girl was not moving. She had vomit dribbling down her face. We had to scoop vomit out of her mouth [and] lift her up. Her pants were completely off her body," says Chief Elk. "She had her one shoe one, her jeans were wrapped around one of her ankles and her underwear was left around her ankles. To the left of the bed there was some condom thrown on the ground."

"When they lifted her head up, her eyes moved and she said 'I'm sorry,'" says Grolle. "One of the guys who was in the room said 'This is her fault. She got drunk and she did this to herself.'"

Forensic tests determined that the vomit wasn't hers. Bet she consented to that too.

The 17-year-old girl Monday gave Grolle and Chief Elk Saint Christopher Medals, which they were wearing Tuesday night.

"We were basically her protectors that night and she gave these to us to represent that -- although there is no way to compare what happened that night -- she is grateful that we are her voice and speaking for her about what we saw that night," says Chief Elk.

The victim isn't capable of testifying, on her own behalf, that she didn't consent to being gang-raped and vomited on?

I'm not a lawyer. And I accept -- celebrate, even -- that DAs and judges and juries have to operate within the boundaries of reasonable doubt. But in what fucking universe is it "reasonable" to believe that a young woman consents to being raped with a pool cue or vomited on? That a 13-year-old would agree to fuck three guys because, you know, she's fat and girls nowadays dress slutty?

Anyone who thinks that shit is reasonable is a suck fuck and should be locked up themselves, as a preventative measure.

In any discussion of a case like this, some asshole will argue that hey, some chicks are kinky. And since we also know that kinky chicks are lying sluts, it's totally reasonable to believe that a girl would not only consent to this crap, but then file a false rape report afterwards.

The motives of guys who would fuck a woman in such a state that she'd "consent" to such a thing, on the other hand, never seems to come up.

Bitch_PhD knows some guys and girls who are into pretty kinky shit--and for the record, people like that believe more strongly in the importance of explicit consent than the general population. As they damn well should.

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PRockGirlScout

Hawaii National Park, HI

October 2005

JUN 02, 2007 08:10 PM

You know who needs a good punch in the face? Every one of those guys' fathers.

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ

June 2004

JUN 02, 2007 08:24 PM

PRockPlatypus said:
You know who needs a good punch in the face? Every one of those guys' fathers.

And their dumbass submissive mothers.

PRockGirlScout

Hawaii National Park, HI

October 2005

JUN 02, 2007 08:43 PM

SkaRambo said:

PRockPlatypus said:
You know who needs a good punch in the face? Every one of those guys' fathers.

And their dumbass submissive mothers.

That's ignorant and reactionary.

Every boy needs someone to give him guidance on how to treat women- especially within the realm of sexual consent.

Now some of you may get all politically correct and cry, "What about boys that grew up with a single mother or have two lesbian parents!" THEY NEED A MALE ROLEMODEL. Don't like it? Tough.

Are there some men who never got this guidance, but still have an accurate moral compass that steers them clear of say, raping someone? Certainly. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions. But if you asked these guys what their fathers taught them about consent, you can bet your ass the answers wouldn't be pretty.

FreeBird70285

USA

April 2006

JUN 02, 2007 08:49 PM

s5 said:
Hang on here. The girl was 17, so she was both under the age of consent in California (it's 18) and under the age to legally obtain alcohol. Unless she shoplifted, someone old enough to know better provided her with alcohol.

In other words, someone got a minor drunk and had sex with her. Not necessarily the same person, but that was the sequence of events. Thus, in no universe should she be considered legally or physically able to consent.

That combined with eyewitness testimony and physical evidence makes me wonder how this even got to trial in the first place. There should have been a guilty plea and that's that.

Is it really that hard to convict the most clear-cut rape scenario you can possibly imagine?

Thank you.

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

JUN 02, 2007 09:29 PM

SkaRambo said:

PRockPlatypus said:
You know who needs a good punch in the face? Every one of those guys' fathers.

And their dumbass submissive mothers.

No. You know who needs a good punch? Every one of those guys themselves. You can grow up in awful, ignorant situations and still grow up a good person. Those boys didn't choose to do so. Of course their history has affected who they are, but in the end, THEY are ones who chose to violently gang rape a girl. They are the ones who should be subjected to 99 percent of whatever punishment they recieve (which I'm sure won't be enough).

Flawedhero

Suwanee, GA

October 2006

JUN 02, 2007 09:59 PM

For once I am totally on the side of Bitch_PhD, 100%.

This is one fucked up story and I hope they find a way to get around this bullshit of a legal wall and cut the balls off each and every one of these guys while they get gang-raped by large prison inmates.

siamkittie

Forest Hills, NY

March 2006

JUN 02, 2007 09:59 PM

this shit is so disgusting and it really upsets me. I hope these boys get everything that they deserve.

RaphaelAdidas

Hillsborough, NC

November 2003

JUN 02, 2007 10:00 PM

mydogfarted said:
"You can't really dust for vomit."

Really didn't expect to read something in this thread that would make me laugh.

Lily

SUICIDEGIRL

Quebec, Canada

JUN 02, 2007 10:08 PM

Morgan said:

Lily said:

Morgan said:
This makes me want to cry and fucking punch someone at the same time. I hate that this kind of thing happens in our world.

Lily, if we ever get to meet each other, let's just hold each other and make a little bit of the pain of all these terrible things go away, okay?

i'd love that.

ZPO

Olympia, WA

July 2004

JUN 02, 2007 10:14 PM

With other species they put rabid animals down. Eight males gang raping one drunk girl makes them rabid animals. The three women that went in there and got the victim out - warriors all.

Note the use of "women". Anybody willing to stand 3 against 8 to protect someone they may not even know has just proven themselves to be an adult. The 8 - I'll stick with "males".

Dru_Id

Florence, SC

October 2006

JUN 02, 2007 10:16 PM

Morgan said:
This makes me want to cry and fucking punch someone at the same time. I hate that this kind of thing happens in our world.

I live by 2 Rules

1/Be it harm none work thy will.

2/ Protect the Weak from the strong

all of those animals in the room failed on both counts if i had the chanceto be in a room with them....well lets just say for starters that they would no longer be men, after that i may get creative

FunkySkunk

Gainesville, FL

July 2004

JUN 02, 2007 10:26 PM

Yeah... I've known girls with rape fantasies before... and if I was a guy who wanted to participate in something like that I would make sure I had several copies of a tape with a sober girl claiming it was what she was into, a few signed documents that were notarized and maybe a few polaroids with her giving the thumbs up. A "she wants to be here" prolly isn't enough proof, especially when she is drunk. Fuck those guys.

Adelayde

Annapolis, MD

September 2004

JUN 02, 2007 10:32 PM

fucking terrifying! i don't even know what to say.

Crissis

Ecuador

January 2007

JUN 03, 2007 12:07 AM

im so sorry for people who suffer this things
i have some friends who were too drunk and people had taken advantage of it
its too fucking nasty

girls be careful were you get drunk and with who