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Maybe She Wanted to be Raped

Tags: rape, consent



You may or may not have heard the story about the UK barrister who argued that a 13-year-old girl was "glad of the attention" when she was gang-raped by three boys -- because, after all, she was fat.

Well, now we've got a California DA who refuses to prosecute a gang rape, apparently because

it would be difficult to prove the high school student was too drunk to consent.


Now, admittedly witness testimony can be challenged. But does this sound like a hard-to-prove case?

"We heard and saw a girl tapping on this door in the kitchen saying 'There is a girl in there with eight guys," explains Chief Elk.

They say they tried to get into the room, but were confronted by a baseball player.

"[He said] 'Mind your own business; she wants to be in here' and slams the door," says Grolle.

What they saw through a crack in the door horrified them.

"When I looked in, I saw about ten pairs of legs surrounding a girl, lying on the mattress on the floor and a guy on top of her with his pants down and his hips thrusting on top of her," recall Chief Elk. "And when I saw that I knew immediately something wasn't right. It just didn't look right."

"I saw that this young girl did not want to be in there, and that's when we just went 'We're getting this girl out of there,'" says Grolle.

April and Lauren -- along with a third soccer player named Lauren Breayans -- broke down the door and were shocked with what they found.

"This poor girl was not moving. She had vomit dribbling down her face. We had to scoop vomit out of her mouth [and] lift her up. Her pants were completely off her body," says Chief Elk. "She had her one shoe one, her jeans were wrapped around one of her ankles and her underwear was left around her ankles. To the left of the bed there was some condom thrown on the ground."

"When they lifted her head up, her eyes moved and she said 'I'm sorry,'" says Grolle. "One of the guys who was in the room said 'This is her fault. She got drunk and she did this to herself.'"


Forensic tests determined that the vomit wasn't hers. Bet she consented to that too.

The 17-year-old girl Monday gave Grolle and Chief Elk Saint Christopher Medals, which they were wearing Tuesday night.

"We were basically her protectors that night and she gave these to us to represent that -- although there is no way to compare what happened that night -- she is grateful that we are her voice and speaking for her about what we saw that night," says Chief Elk.


The victim isn't capable of testifying, on her own behalf, that she didn't consent to being gang-raped and vomited on?

I'm not a lawyer. And I accept -- celebrate, even -- that DAs and judges and juries have to operate within the boundaries of reasonable doubt. But in what fucking universe is it "reasonable" to believe that a young woman consents to being raped with a pool cue or vomited on? That a 13-year-old would agree to fuck three guys because, you know, she's fat and girls nowadays dress slutty?

Anyone who thinks that shit is reasonable is a suck fuck and should be locked up themselves, as a preventative measure.

In any discussion of a case like this, some asshole will argue that hey, some chicks are kinky. And since we also know that kinky chicks are lying sluts, it's totally reasonable to believe that a girl would not only consent to this crap, but then file a false rape report afterwards.

The motives of guys who would fuck a woman in such a state that she'd "consent" to such a thing, on the other hand, never seems to come up.

Bitch_PhD knows some guys and girls who are into pretty kinky shit--and for the record, people like that believe more strongly in the importance of explicit consent than the general population. As they damn well should.

 

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SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 02, 2007 02:35 PM

This is just sick.

Although this sort of thing happens all too often, I can't wrap my mind around the possibility of anyone I know, even casually, participating in something like this, and my definition of "participating" includes being a prosecutor and hesitating even for a fraction of a nanosecond to prosecute a case like this.puke

Clio

Clio

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

JUN 02, 2007 02:47 PM

This is fucking horrible.

SynninViemaa

SynninViemaa

Centereach, NY
January 2006

JUN 02, 2007 02:48 PM

Clio said:
This is fucking horrible.



Exactly. I don't even have any other words for this.

spac3monkay

spac3monkay

Winter Park, FL
April 2007

JUN 02, 2007 02:50 PM

I want to know from the girl herself, this is all speculation the boys opinion, if she was raped i believe an eye for an eye rape all those assholes then cut off their penis, if use it to hurt someone u dont disurve to have it, plain and simple. But in a world where sadly the least prized aspect of the human body is its virginity, people are having sex eirlyier and eirlyer, the presure is scary. basicly what does she have to say about the what happened??

almostfamous

almostfamous

NEWSWIRE

United Kingdom

JUN 02, 2007 02:51 PM

SocietysPliers said:
This is just sick.

Although this sort of thing happens all too often, I can't wrap my mind around the possibility of anyone I know, even casually, participating in something like this, and my definition of "participating" includes being a prosecutor and hesitating even for a fraction of a nanosecond to prosecute a case like this.puke



The problem is, how do you prove someone was too drunk to consent?
Drunk people do stupid things, they actively consent to things they wold never, ever, do sober. I'm not just talking about sex, drunk people put their lives in danger - often managing to kill themselves - every day. Incredibly stupid, and incredibly deliberate at the time. Juries know this, so when they're asked to rule beyond a reasonable doubt, that's hard, they think back to all the stupid shit they've done when they're drunk, they look the person that's accused of a terrible crime, who'll be labelled for life as a rapist and spend a long time in prison, and they often can't say hand on heart that they have no doubts. Ask that same person when they're sitting at home in their chair, with nothing riding on it, and they'll tell you to castrate the fucker, but it's different when you're on a jury.
Sadly prosecutors know this, and somewhere down the line it falls to someone to make a decision based on the likelihood of them winning. And that's when assholes get off scott-free.

Aeryka

Aeryka

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 02, 2007 02:54 PM

reason #4 i dont get stupid drunk with people i dont know and why i watch my girlfriends like a hawk when we go out

Ridley

Ridley

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUN 02, 2007 03:02 PM

Aeryka said:
reason #4 i dont get stupid drunk with people i dont know and why i watch my girlfriends like a hawk when we go out



+1 but even with people you do know. Just don't get stupid drunk, it's hardly ever a good experience anyway.

uriel_

uriel_

Fremont, CA
November 2003

JUN 02, 2007 03:06 PM

starbuck42 said:

BalefulWerewolf said:
That's fucked. It'd be pretty fuckin sweet if castration could be worked into criminal punishment for rape trials.


Well there is this.



Saddly the criminals have already figured out a way around this. By taking a large amount of testosterone, they can counteract the effect of chemical castration.

I read this to my wife and we were both horrified by the story. Though this doesn't mention it, at least in the one posted here, but I wonder how much the sports angle plays into this. It would seem this countries fascination with sports allows DA's and police to overlook things 'for the good of the team'.

Ascanius

Ascanius

Saratoga Springs, NY
October 2006

JUN 02, 2007 03:11 PM

almostfamous said:
The problem is, how do you prove someone was too drunk to consent?
Drunk people do stupid things, they actively consent to things they wold never, ever, do sober.



I don't know how it works in the UK, but in all the US law I'm familiar with if you are drunk, and it sounds like this girl was certainly drunk, you cannot actively consent to sex. That's not the hard part to prove.

However, it remains the burden of the state to prove criminal conduct, not the burden of the defense to prove innocence. I'm just a first year law student, so I don't know much about it, but I do know that the conflicting testimony (and it seems like witnesses for the prosecution would be conflicting with one another, based on the article) of a bunch of drunk college kids isn't going to go a long way towards proving anything. So, while this is an absolutely heartbreaking story and at face value it seems like the DA really fucked this one up, I'm willing to presume she had a better idea about the chances of success than I do. If any of the other legal people out there wants to correct this take on it, feel free. I am but an egg.

I'd definately like to second the motion that the three soccer players are fucking heroes and ought to have a statue built for them.

missbusk

missbusk

Seattle, WA
December 2005

JUN 02, 2007 03:15 PM

starbuck42 said:

BalefulWerewolf said:
That's fucked. It'd be pretty fuckin sweet if castration could be worked into criminal punishment for rape trials.


Well there is this.



Fuck chemicals, that is letting them off easy. Vice grips, a razor blade, and a 10 gauge threaded needle make a handy home castration kit.

I don't care how drunk they were, sometimes there is no excuse for your actions. And, if you are going to drink and don't know your limit, be prepared for the consequences. Saying, "Oh it only happened because I was drunk" is pure bullshit.

thedeadreprise

thedeadreprise

Jacksonville, FL
June 2005

JUN 02, 2007 03:22 PM

this is the reason why guns were invented...i mean seriously...think what you want about me but anyone who is fucked up in the head enough to do this to somebody should have there fucking head dismembered from there body... there's absolutely no logical excuse to justify someone raping another...fuck that.

If it were up to me the punishment would be alot of fucking torture...and maybe plenty of the strongest pain meds available.. .

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JUN 02, 2007 03:22 PM

Sometimes vigilante justice needs to be legal, this would be a good case for that.

This sounds an awful lot like a story that was on SG a year or two ago about a bunch of California guys that videotaped raping some girl. The evidence was dismissed because "it was videotaped so that means she wanted it videotaped" or something to that effect. One of the rapists was the son of the town's police chief or similar high authority, their charges were dropped.

Just one bullet in their throat, no courts fees, no containment costs, it's simple and affordable.

Yuna_Sekhmet

Yuna_Sekhmet

Clermont, FL
May 2007

JUN 02, 2007 03:25 PM

I'm so sick of hearing about this crap! I'm especially sick of hearing about all these rapists and pedophiles doing time and then just being let out! Do they think a little jail time fixes them? If it were up to me they would all have their hands and privates cut off!! mad

SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

JUN 02, 2007 03:25 PM

almostfamous said:

SocietysPliers said:
This is just sick.

Although this sort of thing happens all too often, I can't wrap my mind around the possibility of anyone I know, even casually, participating in something like this, and my definition of "participating" includes being a prosecutor and hesitating even for a fraction of a nanosecond to prosecute a case like this.puke

The problem is, how do you prove someone was too drunk to consent?

Drunk people do stupid things, they actively consent to things they wold never, ever, do sober. I'm not just talking about sex, drunk people put their lives in danger - often managing to kill themselves - every day. Incredibly stupid, and incredibly deliberate at the time. Juries know this, so when they're asked to rule beyond a reasonable doubt, that's hard, they think back to all the stupid shit they've done when they're drunk, they look the person that's accused of a terrible crime, who'll be labelled for life as a rapist and spend a long time in prison, and they often can't say hand on heart that they have no doubts. Ask that same person when they're sitting at home in their chair, with nothing riding on it, and they'll tell you to castrate the fucker, but it's different when you're on a jury.
Sadly prosecutors know this, and somewhere down the line it falls to someone to make a decision based on the likelihood of them winning. And that's when assholes get off scott-free.

There exists no question whatsoever in my mind as to the posibility of a 'good' lawyer getting the guys acquitted; that has NOTHING to do with whether or not they should be tried. In them edical field I often have to do stuff that may prove pointless. I've performed CPR for exhausting amounts of time knowing full well that the chances of the patient surviving were roughly equivalent to experiencing a sudden blizzard here in Florida. I also took an oath which h made me keep alive and treat (and do so with an air of compassion) three times a week someone without whom the world would be decidedly better off. I would like to think a prosecutor should be somehow bound to try anyone(s) who may pose a threat to Society.

And, although it may be sexist, does anyone find this somehow especially disturbing that the prosecutor who decided to let these guys continue to rape women (thereby becoming guilty of facilitation of rape herself) is a WOMAN?

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

JUN 02, 2007 03:25 PM

frown puke puke puke

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