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Maybe She Wanted to be Raped

SATURDAY JUNE 2 2007 2:00 PM

Submitted by Bitch_PhD. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: rape, consent

You may or may not have heard the story about the UK barrister who argued that a 13-year-old girl was "glad of the attention" when she was gang-raped by three boys -- because, after all, she was fat.

Well, now we've got a California DA who refuses to prosecute a gang rape, apparently because

it would be difficult to prove the high school student was too drunk to consent.

Now, admittedly witness testimony can be challenged. But does this sound like a hard-to-prove case?

"We heard and saw a girl tapping on this door in the kitchen saying 'There is a girl in there with eight guys," explains Chief Elk.

They say they tried to get into the room, but were confronted by a baseball player.

"[He said] 'Mind your own business; she wants to be in here' and slams the door," says Grolle.

What they saw through a crack in the door horrified them.

"When I looked in, I saw about ten pairs of legs surrounding a girl, lying on the mattress on the floor and a guy on top of her with his pants down and his hips thrusting on top of her," recall Chief Elk. "And when I saw that I knew immediately something wasn't right. It just didn't look right."

"I saw that this young girl did not want to be in there, and that's when we just went 'We're getting this girl out of there,'" says Grolle.

April and Lauren -- along with a third soccer player named Lauren Breayans -- broke down the door and were shocked with what they found.

"This poor girl was not moving. She had vomit dribbling down her face. We had to scoop vomit out of her mouth [and] lift her up. Her pants were completely off her body," says Chief Elk. "She had her one shoe one, her jeans were wrapped around one of her ankles and her underwear was left around her ankles. To the left of the bed there was some condom thrown on the ground."

"When they lifted her head up, her eyes moved and she said 'I'm sorry,'" says Grolle. "One of the guys who was in the room said 'This is her fault. She got drunk and she did this to herself.'"

Forensic tests determined that the vomit wasn't hers. Bet she consented to that too.

The 17-year-old girl Monday gave Grolle and Chief Elk Saint Christopher Medals, which they were wearing Tuesday night.

"We were basically her protectors that night and she gave these to us to represent that -- although there is no way to compare what happened that night -- she is grateful that we are her voice and speaking for her about what we saw that night," says Chief Elk.

The victim isn't capable of testifying, on her own behalf, that she didn't consent to being gang-raped and vomited on?

I'm not a lawyer. And I accept -- celebrate, even -- that DAs and judges and juries have to operate within the boundaries of reasonable doubt. But in what fucking universe is it "reasonable" to believe that a young woman consents to being raped with a pool cue or vomited on? That a 13-year-old would agree to fuck three guys because, you know, she's fat and girls nowadays dress slutty?

Anyone who thinks that shit is reasonable is a suck fuck and should be locked up themselves, as a preventative measure.

In any discussion of a case like this, some asshole will argue that hey, some chicks are kinky. And since we also know that kinky chicks are lying sluts, it's totally reasonable to believe that a girl would not only consent to this crap, but then file a false rape report afterwards.

The motives of guys who would fuck a woman in such a state that she'd "consent" to such a thing, on the other hand, never seems to come up.

Bitch_PhD knows some guys and girls who are into pretty kinky shit--and for the record, people like that believe more strongly in the importance of explicit consent than the general population. As they damn well should.

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Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Morocco

JUN 02, 2007 02:03 PM

This makes me want to cry and fucking punch someone at the same time. I hate that this kind of thing happens in our world.

Mocha

New Orleans, LA

April 2006

JUN 02, 2007 02:08 PM

i hope those eight assholes get thrown in jail for a long, long time.

what kind of people do these things? i dont want to meet them, ever, and it scares me that they're out there.

, into a toilet, where it belongs.

bethamphetamine

I'm lost

April 2007

JUN 02, 2007 02:11 PM

holy crap. something better be done, or i'll punch someone out.

starbuck42

I'm lost

February 2007

JUN 02, 2007 02:16 PM

I hate the world a lot sometimes.

mamet

Charleston, SC

March 2005

JUN 02, 2007 02:16 PM

Holy shit.

almostfamous

NEWSWIRE

United Kingdom

JUN 02, 2007 02:18 PM

I'm not a lawyer. And I accept -- celebrate, even -- that DAs and judges and juries have to operate within the boundaries of reasonable doubt. But in what fucking universe is it "reasonable" to believe that a young woman consents to being raped with a pool cue or vomited on? That a 13-year-old would agree to fuck three guys because, you know, she's fat and girls nowadays dress slutty?

I'm pretty sure you can't consent to rape.
And the girl in the first story was 16, it was the three boys that were 13. Your PhD wasn't in anything that requires reading comprehension clearly.

For once I'm not going to argue with you on your main point though, I find it very hard to believe those 8 guys were doing anything other than taking advantage of a girl that was so wasted she didn't realise what was going on. Kinky girls don't need to be unconscious to fuck 8 guys. And I worry about the kind of person that doesn't believe they're raping someone just because she's not conscious enough to say no.

gnomef0cker

Santa Cruz, CA

June 2006

JUN 02, 2007 02:19 PM

Why are there ten pairs of legs but only three guys being accused of raping this poor girl?

The vomit is the topper. Fucking disgusting!

cmg_521

Winsted, CT

December 2006

JUN 02, 2007 02:20 PM

This leaves me speechless. It's just sad.

yellowkid

Boise, ID

May 2007

JUN 02, 2007 02:21 PM

How is there a question about whether or not this was a rape? Doesn't their intuition say that this was rape? They don't seem to be discussing the amount of evidence for trial, but if what happened was itself rape. I don't understand how anyone could possibly think something like that.

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUN 02, 2007 02:23 PM

I'm really glad those three women who saved the girl being gangraped were brave enough to stop it and save her, and now are brave enough to continue to speak out against it. Good for them.

This is so horrifying.

BalefulWerewolf

Springfield, MA

October 2004

JUN 02, 2007 02:25 PM

That's fucked. It'd be pretty fuckin sweet if castration could be worked into criminal punishment for rape trials.

creativename

HOPEFUL

San Francisco, CA

JUN 02, 2007 02:28 PM

I just can't understand how being too passed out to help yourself isn't rape?

My friend has a sexual assault history now because both he and the girl were to drunk to say no. She filed, he said "I very well could have had sex with her, I really don't remember, I was too drunk". He couldn't even remember if he had sex with her and he still got convicted! She could have been tried for the same thing!

How are these guys not at fault?

Even if you are into gang bangs,you shouldn't have to be drunk to do it!

Sick, just sick.

TheAngrySloth

York, ON

September 2003

JUN 02, 2007 02:29 PM

Welcome to Earth. This kind of thing happens all the time here.

Do you like living on this planet? I sure don't.

creativename

HOPEFUL

San Francisco, CA

JUN 02, 2007 02:29 PM

Roethke said:
I'm really glad those three women who saved the girl being gangraped were brave enough to stop it and save her, and now are brave enough to continue to speak out against it. Good for them.

This is so horrifying.

Indeed. 2 against 8 is scary. They truly are brave.