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  • WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 28 2007 4:00 PM

Boy Dies From Bad Tooth



So what happens when kids don't have insurance?

They can die. From a bad tooth. Which abscesses. Spreading infection to the brain.

Horrific summary: the boy's brother had several abscessed teeth, the result of a dentist who "discontinued the treatments . . . after the boy squirmed too much in the chair." (Dude needs to lose his license.) It took a month after the abscesses started to find an oral surgeon who'd see the kid, two months to get a consultation, and another month and a half for the appointment. During which time the family's Medicaid lapsed, so they had to cancel the appointment.

Then Deamonte, in the picture, comes home with a headache, ends up in the hospital, has two brain surgeries, and dies after telling his mother to "make sure you pray before you go to sleep."

Poor children are more than twice as likely to have cavities as their more affluent peers, research shows, but far less likely to get treatment.

Serious and costly medical consequences are "not uncommon," said Norman Tinanoff, chief of pediatric dentistry at the University of Maryland Dental School in Baltimore. For instance, Deamonte's bill for two weeks at Children's alone was expected to be between $200,000 and $250,000. The federal government requires states to provide oral health services to children through Medicaid programs, but the shortage of dentists who will treat indigent patients remains a major barrier to care.


Because Medicaid doesn't pay them enough.

 

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Tallboy66

Tallboy66

Chicago, IL
January 2005

MAR 01, 2007 07:56 AM

4 and a half months???

Snafu013

snafu013

Deer Park, NY
June 2004

MAR 01, 2007 09:56 AM

Burzum said:
This is a huge argument for universal healthcare. Why America is America the only first world country without socialized healthcare?

How common is this, though? I've never heard of anyone dying from a cavity before. I thought the extent was that your tooth became rotten and fell out. This is a freak accident, right?





it isn't a freak accident. it is not extremely common, but is not entirely uncommon either. i used to think it was an old wives tale, i was horrible with taking care of my teeth when i was younger, and was always told if you get a bad enough cavity it can spead an infection to your brain and kill you. several years later whlie working as an EMT in the bronx, i transported a 14 year old to the hospital who later died, and it was from exactly that. in the ten years since then, i know of at least 3 other cases of it in the nyc area, which leads me to believe that if one person in one area can hear about it happening 4 times, it must happen a decent amount.

noxdice

noxdice

Toronto, ON
December 2004

MAR 01, 2007 11:04 AM

The American Government doesn't care about you. Quite frankly neither do most affluent Americans. The last time this subject was breached and some of us tried to have a serious discussion about the possibility of standardized health care coverage for the whole of the U.S. at least half those who came on the board bitched that they weren't going to pay for some lazy jackass who doesn't have health coverage and just suggested that they "get off their ass and get a job". They all then came down on me for suggesting they have universal coverage like we Canadians do, telling me that the care I receive is inferior to theirs. I don't know anyone who can swallow a $250,000 debt without going bankrupt. I always find it amusing that people seem to think their health insurance companies are going to cover them if they get cancer or need multiple expensive sugeries. Any time the health system is set up for capatilist gain, the people will suffer. To the rest of the world, health care is like education. It is a fundamental responsibility of the government to provide for its citizens.
That is the reason things like this happen. Health care should be free. Your country spend over 200 billion dollars on war over the last couple of years and then has the arrogance to say it can't afford medical? Why aren't you all outraged? This I will never understand...

Pyromethious

Pyromethious

Silver Springs, FL
October 2006

MAR 01, 2007 11:08 AM

Dark_Templar said:


So what happens when kids don't brush their teeth?.......

..........They can die.



Yes it is a sad story, but this is also why you should practice oral hygiene wink



could be wrong, but I don't think brushing your teeth can avoid this sort of thing.

Pyromethious

Pyromethious

Silver Springs, FL
October 2006

MAR 01, 2007 11:26 AM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:
Are you fucking kidding me?! I'm a college graduate with a job, and I don't have health benefits. Nor do I make enough to "pay my own way" for things like surgeries. Christ, dude. Nice day indeed. surreal

In other related business, this news story makes me desperately sad.



yeah, I don't know why more companies don't atleast offer a good direction towards health care. I've been in retail for about 9yrs. My first retail employer didn't offer benefits unless you were a lowbe manager, luckily I was young enough to be under Rents ins still. My current retail employer actually offers a choice benefits after your first year working, worked 1000hrs, 20hrs/wk avg, and it doesn't matter your pay lvl. It takes about $50-$60/mo out of my pay, but that's for both decent health AND dental. I've talked to many people over the years about this sorta thing and I've been told that alot of places offer a good amount of ins, in terms of retail/food/other jobs nobody likes.

Yes the country is generally screwed up in this sense and many others, but there's always help somewhere even if you don't like where it comes from.

/end of babbling

Pyromethious

Pyromethious

Silver Springs, FL
October 2006

MAR 01, 2007 11:31 AM

noxdice said:
The American Government doesn't care about you. Quite frankly neither do most affluent Americans. The last time this subject was breached and some of us tried to have a serious discussion about the possibility of standardized health care coverage for the whole of the U.S. at least half those who came on the board bitched that they weren't going to pay for some lazy jackass who doesn't have health coverage and just suggested that they "get off their ass and get a job". They all then came down on me for suggesting they have universal coverage like we Canadians do, telling me that the care I receive is inferior to theirs. I don't know anyone who can swallow a $250,000 debt without going bankrupt. I always find it amusing that people seem to think their health insurance companies are going to cover them if they get cancer or need multiple expensive sugeries. Any time the health system is set up for capatilist gain, the people will suffer. To the rest of the world, health care is like education. It is a fundamental responsibility of the government to provide for its citizens.
That is the reason things like this happen. Health care should be free. Your country spend over 200 billion dollars on war over the last couple of years and then has the arrogance to say it can't afford medical? Why aren't you all outraged? This I will never understand...




Let's not talk about this country and decent education for all...the past tends to haunt >.<

S_Eldorado

S_Eldorado

Vancouver, BC
December 2004

MAR 01, 2007 11:51 AM

noxdice said:
The American Government doesn't care about you. Quite frankly neither do most affluent Americans. The last time this subject was breached and some of us tried to have a serious discussion about the possibility of standardized health care coverage for the whole of the U.S. at least half those who came on the board bitched that they weren't going to pay for some lazy jackass who doesn't have health coverage and just suggested that they "get off their ass and get a job". They all then came down on me for suggesting they have universal coverage like we Canadians do, telling me that the care I receive is inferior to theirs. I don't know anyone who can swallow a $250,000 debt without going bankrupt. I always find it amusing that people seem to think their health insurance companies are going to cover them if they get cancer or need multiple expensive sugeries. Any time the health system is set up for capatilist gain, the people will suffer. To the rest of the world, health care is like education. It is a fundamental responsibility of the government to provide for its citizens.
That is the reason things like this happen. Health care should be free. Your country spend over 200 billion dollars on war over the last couple of years and then has the arrogance to say it can't afford medical? Why aren't you all outraged? This I will never understand...



I couldn't agree more.

S_Eldorado

S_Eldorado

Vancouver, BC
December 2004

MAR 01, 2007 12:22 PM

theconservative said:

theconservative said:

Subrosa said:
The question of whether or not the mother should be blamed is about the farthest thing humanly possible from the point or what people should be taking from this story. It's not the boy's fault that his mother slipped up, and yet he is the one to pay for her failures (as well as those of the dentists who treated him and the medical/dental system in general.) There is plenty of "blame" to be shouldered here amongst several people, but what people should be primarily concerned about is ensuring that blameless children should not have to suffer the consequences.



parents should make sure of that.



oh yeah, and another thing, the point of the article seems to be 'look, the government didn't care about this kid, and now he's dead." it should be 'here's what happens when parents don't do their jobs.'



Or possibly, "here's what happens when parents are poor and have to work around the clock doing jobs that don't offer healthcare because they came from poor families and didn't receive proper education because the US spends less than 2% of the amount it pours into useless wars abroad on education so the parents were probably uneducated (of course, they should have known better as kids and moved to a better, richer neighborhood so they could get a decent education) and probably don't even fully understand what doors are open to them or how to break out of the cycle."

Either way, that kid didn't choose his parents and instead of blaming them, you should be thankful that yours were educated and well off enough to raise you so that you know how to make your own way in the world.

It's not about people getting a free ride, it's about making sure the basics like health care and education are in place so that everyone has a chance to realize the American Dream. I.E. work hard and reap the rewards. And don't think for a second that poor parents aren't working hard everyday just to make the basic ends meet. My parents were exactly that and if we'd been living in the US, we'd have been fucked. Finally, years later, we all enjoy productive, hard-working, successful lives but when I was a kid life was brutally fucking hard. We only made it because a) my parents came from a decent education system and b) we had the support we needed from the Canadian government in the form of healthcare and education. Twice we had to briefly rely on social services for help but have since paid off any debt we incurred in spades via taxes because we were able to get on our feet.

Funny fact: a healthy, educated and productive populace make for a strong economy. Weird huh?

DrStinkypants

DrStinkypants

Saint Paul, MN
October 2002

MAR 01, 2007 03:17 PM

freshprncebelair said:

DrStinkypants said:

theconservative said:

Bitch_PhD said:
As far as the "it's the mom's fault for letting Medicaid lapse" thing goes--no doubt, partly. But how many of you have gotten busy and forgotten or screwed up paperwork at some point in your lives? What if you're a poor working single mom with two kids? The amount of crap you have to stay on top of with kids is insane, and inevitably some stuff is going to get screwed up somewhere along the line. People shouldn't die because they get behind on some bureaucratic bullshit.

And blaming the mom for stuff like this is *exactly* why I get so hacked off about people blaming moms with problems for whatever happens to their kids when a lot of the problems people have would be a lot easier to address if there were some kind of functioning health care system--whether it's mental health, insurance, or help kicking a drug or alcohol habit.



what the fuck? what should moms be held accountable for?



Haven't you been reading?
Nothing is anyone's fault, ever.
duh



No, you are fogetting, it's the fault of old white men in power, for being white and being men. Their control of the government, and whiteness, causes the poverty that keeps everyone down. Also, the fact that they have a penis doesn't help their case any



I doubt any of those guys smoke the meth either, which is pretty unreasonable if you think about it... not doing meth

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

MAR 01, 2007 05:52 PM

DrStinkypants said:

freshprncebelair said:

DrStinkypants said:

theconservative said:

Bitch_PhD said:
As far as the "it's the mom's fault for letting Medicaid lapse" thing goes--no doubt, partly. But how many of you have gotten busy and forgotten or screwed up paperwork at some point in your lives? What if you're a poor working single mom with two kids? The amount of crap you have to stay on top of with kids is insane, and inevitably some stuff is going to get screwed up somewhere along the line. People shouldn't die because they get behind on some bureaucratic bullshit.

And blaming the mom for stuff like this is *exactly* why I get so hacked off about people blaming moms with problems for whatever happens to their kids when a lot of the problems people have would be a lot easier to address if there were some kind of functioning health care system--whether it's mental health, insurance, or help kicking a drug or alcohol habit.



what the fuck? what should moms be held accountable for?



Haven't you been reading?
Nothing is anyone's fault, ever.
duh



No, you are fogetting, it's the fault of old white men in power, for being white and being men. Their control of the government, and whiteness, causes the poverty that keeps everyone down. Also, the fact that they have a penis doesn't help their case any



I doubt any of those guys smoke the meth either, which is pretty unreasonable if you think about it... not doing meth


Holy broken record Batman.

Joel_T

Joel_T

Springfield, IL
November 2006

MAR 01, 2007 06:07 PM

DrStinkypants said:

freshprncebelair said:

DrStinkypants said:

theconservative said:

Bitch_PhD said:
As far as the "it's the mom's fault for letting Medicaid lapse" thing goes--no doubt, partly. But how many of you have gotten busy and forgotten or screwed up paperwork at some point in your lives? What if you're a poor working single mom with two kids? The amount of crap you have to stay on top of with kids is insane, and inevitably some stuff is going to get screwed up somewhere along the line. People shouldn't die because they get behind on some bureaucratic bullshit.

And blaming the mom for stuff like this is *exactly* why I get so hacked off about people blaming moms with problems for whatever happens to their kids when a lot of the problems people have would be a lot easier to address if there were some kind of functioning health care system--whether it's mental health, insurance, or help kicking a drug or alcohol habit.



what the fuck? what should moms be held accountable for?



Haven't you been reading?
Nothing is anyone's fault, ever.
duh



No, you are fogetting, it's the fault of old white men in power, for being white and being men. Their control of the government, and whiteness, causes the poverty that keeps everyone down. Also, the fact that they have a penis doesn't help their case any



I doubt any of those guys smoke the meth either, which is pretty unreasonable if you think about it... not doing meth



I'm assuming you are talking about the mom in the article? Because poor black mothers obviously all do meth, right?

DrStinkypants

DrStinkypants

Saint Paul, MN
October 2002

MAR 01, 2007 09:11 PM

Joel_T said:
I'm assuming you are talking about the mom in the article? Because poor black mothers obviously all do meth, right?



No. It's in reference to something else the author wrote

DrStinkypants

DrStinkypants

Saint Paul, MN
October 2002

MAR 01, 2007 09:16 PM

_Bastard_ said:

Holy broken record Batman.



And I don't suppose I need to point out the ironic nature of you harping on this in the same way I'm harping on Bitch, but I will.

dem_z

dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

MAR 02, 2007 05:49 AM

Bitch_PhD said:
And blaming the mom for stuff like this is *exactly* why I get so hacked off about people blaming moms with problems for whatever happens to their kids when a lot of the problems people have would be a lot easier to address if there were some kind of functioning health care system--whether it's mental health, insurance, or help kicking a drug or alcohol habit.



I was going to post this in your blog, but you don't have one. tongue

Is there any reason you only refer to mothers, and not fathers, when you talk about single parent families? I'd agree that it's much more common for single-parent families to be mothers and children, not fathers and children.

M3mentoM0ri

M3mentoM0ri

Chile
May 2006

MAR 02, 2007 09:43 AM

this reminds me i gotta go to the dentist eeek

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