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Bearing Responsibility



Why do I care about the rights of pregnant meth users? Let's start small.

For most "respectable" women, the main thing you'll be told when you get pregnant is "don't drink alcohol." In fact, let's grab a beer out of the fridge and look at what the warning label says:

Government Warning (1) According to the Surgeon General, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. (2) Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery, and may cause health problems.


Everyone who drinks has seen these warnings, right? So we all know — and when you're pregnant, your doctor will remind you — that pregnant women shouldn't drink.

Notice, in fact, that while pregnant women "should not" drink, non-pregnant women — and men — aren't told what they should, or shouldn't do. They're given the facts — drinking "impairs your ability to drive" and "may cause health problems" — and expected to make their own, informed, decisions. Pregnant women, on the other hand, are told directly what they should do.
There are two implications here: first, that pregnant women are less able than men or non-pregnant women to think for themselves; and second, that alcohol is more dangerous for pregnant women (or their fetuses) than it is for "normal" people.

The first implication — that pregnant women can't think for themselves — is obviously stupid and insulting. If you're like me, when someone tells you what to do, you're inclined to tell them to fuck off. But before we tell the "don't drink while pregnant" crowd to fuck off, let's see what the problems with drinking while pregnant actually are — after all, it's a Big Deal, this pregnancy thing, and we wouldn't want to let knee-jerk attitudes about being grownups (after all, we're pregnant! How much more grownup can you get?) affect our judgment.

So let's move on to the second implication. Is alcohol, in fact, more dangerous for pregnant women than it is for everyone else? To find out, I'm consulting Conceiving Risk, Bearing Responsibility: Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and the Diagnosis of Moral Disorder. I stole the title of this post from the book, by the way. According to the author, Elizabeth Armstrong,

The fact is we simply do not know. . . . while ample evidence indicates that heavy prenatal alcohol exposure can be tetrogenic (that is, cause birth defects) in some pregnancies, . . . the number of fetuses exposed and affected is small.

First, we know that FAS is not an "equal opportunity" birth defect. Fetal alcohol syndrome is highly correlated with smoking, poverty, malnutrition, high parity, and advanced maternal age.
[...]
Second, despite evidence to suggest that FAS may have a genetic component, there has been surprisingly little research. . . . One (kind of evidence) is from studies of twins: the medical literature has reported cases of franternal twins, in which one twin is affected with FAS and the other is not.
[...]
Third, even among women who are alcoholics, only a small number have babies who are affected. . . . In fact, only about 5 percent of children born to alcoholic women have FAS.


Five percent of children born to alcoholics. That ain't much. I think it is fair to say, without dismissing the importance of FAS, that most "normal" women — the kind of women who read alcohol warning labels, who see doctors during pregnancy, who are inclined to think about what they eat and drink — do not have much to worry about. Alcoholics, by and large, don't read warning labels and are far less likely than most of us to get decent prenatal care (which may, in and of itself, be a big part of the problem). If you care about FAS, your primary concern should be helping pregnant alcoholics get prenatal care, which includes treatment for their alcoholism.

Finally, let's don't forget that most women don't realize they're pregnant for a month or two. By which point, if you've been drinking, you've probably already done the majority of whatever damage you're going to do. IME, that ain't much; I went out drinking with my friends every weekend for two months before I realized I was knocked up, and as far as I and my kid's teachers can tell, he's smarter than most of the other kids on the playground. God knows, at 10 lbs 1 oz, he didn't have low birthweight (supposedly one of the markers of FAS). He's reading at grade level, his math is well above grade level, and he can tell you how DNA works, what a metaphor is, and how to build a working rocket.

So yeah. I'm inclined to say that drinking during pregnancy — by which I mean, "drinking during pregnancy by women who aren't alcoholics" — is okay. I'm inclined to think that people who claim that there are "tons" of kids with FAS in public schools are talking out their asses. I'm inclined to think that people who give you the fisheye when you order a cocktail in your seventh month are judgmental assholes. And I'm inclined to think that a lot of the hype around women's "responsibility" not to drink while pregnant is a big, guilt-tripping load of bullshit.

Bitch_PhD likes a good fight, and thinks people who pass judgment on pregnant women need to be smacked.

 

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Greybeard

Greybeard

Los Angeles, CA
December 2006

FEB 20, 2007 01:05 PM

Snottlebocket said:

Not to mention that five percent sounds like a fairly significant amount to me. (give me 5 percent of your life savings and say "that ain't much")



That was only about 5 percent of children born to alcoholic women, not 5 percent of children born to women who drink while pregnant.

Alcoholics are a very small fraction of People Who Drink.

DyeWhiteGirls

DyeWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
December 2003

FEB 20, 2007 01:08 PM

Greybeard said:

Snottlebocket said:

Not to mention that five percent sounds like a fairly significant amount to me. (give me 5 percent of your life savings and say "that ain't much")



Alcoholics are a very small fraction of People Who Drink.



Isn't an alcoholic someone that has 5 drinks or more a week? I could be wrong, but if that's correct, I would venture that the numbers are much higher than a small fraction. If I'm wrong, then ignore this!

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

Los Angeles, CA
September 2006

FEB 20, 2007 01:09 PM

Ratbastard said:
Why bother doing it at all if there is any risk involved? My wife is 10 weeks pregnant and wouldn't even consider drinking anything alcoholic because there is ANY risk involved regardless of how minor.

I don't think it's a matter of "choice" so much as a matter of priorities. What's more important, your unborn child, or that Jim Beam and Pepsi you wanted with dinner? If anyone is so aloof that it isn't even a consideration, then it begs the question of what other bad choices you will make based on statistical improbability.

Alcohol is poison (and I'm a heavy drinker)..It also dehydrates you. If you aren't an alcoholic, then I see zero reason why it would be an issue to aviod it for 9 months all together. Drink a glass of water or juice.. When the baby is born THEN go out and have a drink to celebrate.



well put.

DyeWhiteGirls

DyeWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
December 2003

FEB 20, 2007 01:14 PM

Ratbastard said:
When the baby is born THEN go out and have a drink to celebrate.



Unless you're breastfeeding.

:p

Ratbastard

ratbastard

Frederick, MD
August 2003

FEB 20, 2007 01:19 PM

DyeWhiteGirls said:

Ratbastard said:
When the baby is born THEN go out and have a drink to celebrate.



Unless you're breastfeeding.

:p




Correction appreciated....

HarManic

HarManic

Urbana, IL
March 2005

FEB 20, 2007 01:30 PM

I will say that I hate that I have aligned myself with progressives and liberals when they act with the same knee-jerk moral absolutism and scare-mongering as those we oppose.

Am I the only one that's noticed that we, as a species, have been consuming alcohol during pregnancy, eating, fish, vegetables, etc. for literally thousands of years, and yet the human race survives. We don't think government should put laws in our bedrooms, but it's okay if they put laws in our kitchens? What the fuck?

And the above post could be more succint if reworded, "I don't judge people who have the occaisional drink during pregnancy. I just judge people who have the occaisional drink during pregnancy."

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 20, 2007 01:31 PM

PointBlank said:
In France, in fact, they tell women not to eat raw vegetables.



In Russia... they tell vegetables not to eat raw women!

MissKristin

MissKristin

Winnipeg, MB
August 2006

FEB 20, 2007 01:33 PM

Lordy lordy, this seems like some dangerous information to be giving out to young parents. It's of my own opinion that doing ANYTHING that MIGHT endanger your unborn child is sick. 5% is not a chance any good mother should be willing to take. I say there is junk science on both pro 'a drink here and there' and March of dime's parts.

If there is a risk, Just avoid it. PERIOD.

HarManic

HarManic

Urbana, IL
March 2005

FEB 20, 2007 01:34 PM

DyeWhiteGirls said:

Greybeard said:

Snottlebocket said:

Not to mention that five percent sounds like a fairly significant amount to me. (give me 5 percent of your life savings and say "that ain't much")



Alcoholics are a very small fraction of People Who Drink.



Isn't an alcoholic someone that has 5 drinks or more a week? I could be wrong, but if that's correct, I would venture that the numbers are much higher than a small fraction. If I'm wrong, then ignore this!



Well, I won't ignore it, but rather correct you via seventeen seconds of internet research.

The NIAAA (National Institute on Alchohol Abuse and Alocoholism) defines MODERATE use as up to four drinks a day, or up to fourteen a week.

Alcoholism is a disease far more complicated than simply passing some benchmark on consumption. It encompasses behavior, motive, side effects, etc.

HarManic

HarManic

Urbana, IL
March 2005

FEB 20, 2007 01:40 PM

MissKristin said:
Lordy lordy, this seems like some dangerous information to be giving out to young parents. It's of my own opinion that doing ANYTHING that MIGHT endanger your unborn child is sick. 5% is not a chance any good mother should be willing to take. I say there is junk science on both pro 'a drink here and there' and March of dime's parts.

If there is a risk, Just avoid it. PERIOD.



Fine. let's confine all pregnant women to safe houses, where they can live in bubbles, eat only prescribed food, and never have to breathe polluted air. Riding in a car would be right out.

Or, since that's not possible, let's remember that humanity has thrived on individuals making informed choices, and that those choices, teken in the aggregate, have helped us grow to billions in size, with a longer life expectancy than ever before.

DyeWhiteGirls

DyeWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
December 2003

FEB 20, 2007 01:42 PM

HarManic said:
I will say that I hate that I have aligned myself with progressives and liberals when they act with the same knee-jerk moral absolutism and scare-mongering as those we oppose.

Am I the only one that's noticed that we, as a species, have been consuming alcohol during pregnancy, eating, fish, vegetables, etc. for literally thousands of years, and yet the human race survives. We don't think government should put laws in our bedrooms, but it's okay if they put laws in our kitchens? What the fuck?

And the above post could be more succint if reworded, "I don't judge people who have the occaisional drink during pregnancy. I just judge people who have the occaisional drink during pregnancy."



So the fact that we have murdered people for thousands of years makes it right? I mean, the human race still exists, so by your logic it's the same scenario. This is not the government putting a law in your kitchen. It is the government protecting a helpless fetus from being potentially mutated. Very simple.

DyeWhiteGirls

DyeWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
December 2003

FEB 20, 2007 01:44 PM

HarManic said:

DyeWhiteGirls said:

Greybeard said:

Snottlebocket said:

Not to mention that five percent sounds like a fairly significant amount to me. (give me 5 percent of your life savings and say "that ain't much")



Alcoholics are a very small fraction of People Who Drink.



Isn't an alcoholic someone that has 5 drinks or more a week? I could be wrong, but if that's correct, I would venture that the numbers are much higher than a small fraction. If I'm wrong, then ignore this!



Well, I won't ignore it, but rather correct you via seventeen seconds of internet research.

The NIAAA (National Institute on Alchohol Abuse and Alocoholism) defines MODERATE use as up to four drinks a day, or up to fourteen a week.

Alcoholism is a disease far more complicated than simply passing some benchmark on consumption. It encompasses behavior, motive, side effects, etc.



Thanks!

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

FEB 20, 2007 01:57 PM

So essentially the argument here is that it's perfectly ok for women to unnecessarily endanger their babies because the government shouldn't be allowed to tell them what to do with their bodies. Yeah, that just sounds like incredible selfishness and a terribly misguided (and short-sighted) bit of idealism.

Posh

Posh

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

FEB 20, 2007 01:58 PM

HarManic said:

DyeWhiteGirls said:

Greybeard said:

Snottlebocket said:

Not to mention that five percent sounds like a fairly significant amount to me. (give me 5 percent of your life savings and say "that ain't much")



Alcoholics are a very small fraction of People Who Drink.



Isn't an alcoholic someone that has 5 drinks or more a week? I could be wrong, but if that's correct, I would venture that the numbers are much higher than a small fraction. If I'm wrong, then ignore this!



Well, I won't ignore it, but rather correct you via seventeen seconds of internet research.

The NIAAA (National Institute on Alchohol Abuse and Alocoholism) defines MODERATE use as up to four drinks a day, or up to fourteen a week.

Alcoholism is a disease far more complicated than simply passing some benchmark on consumption. It encompasses behavior, motive, side effects, etc.



Alcoholism is NOT a disease. I'm so sick of that phrase. It's a goddamn cop out.

As for the writing and topic in question, first off, I didn't realize the newswire now supported blog entries but hey, I guess you're creating outrage, and that's your job, right? wink

Second, it bothers me to no end to hear how careless people are when it comes to their unborn children. If you're carrying a baby, why the hell would you want to risk the possibility of birth defects? Are people that selfish they can't put the bottle down for their term and breastfeeding time? Being impaired is really that awesome? It's disgusting. It just boggles my mind to see and hear these things. Pregnant girls getting giant tattoos, using drugs, drinking, why? Well why the hell not?! It's my body. So selfish.

Ugghh.

DyeWhiteGirls

DyeWhiteGirls

Madison, WI
December 2003

FEB 20, 2007 01:59 PM

Posh gets it!

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