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  • SATURDAY JANUARY 20 2007 12:00 PM

Brad Warner’s Hardcore Zen: Where Do We Go When We Die?

For the past week, since my mother passed away on Friday (January 12), I’ve been much concerned about where she went after she died, and what state she is in now. The question has been troubling me so greatly that I consulted a number of experts who were supposed to know what became of her after she shuffled off this mortal coil. But none of them could tell me anything about where she was.

Dad decided to have her cremated. He was pretty distraught that first day so he left the Flower Mound Family Funeral Home of Flower Mound, Texas in charge of everything. When I got here I thought someone ought to be in attendance at the cremation as is the custom in Buddhist countries. But when I called the funeral home they had no idea when and where the cremation was to take place. They said the doctor, Dr. Madhavi Thomas of Texas Neurology PA, was supposed to sign off on some paperwork or something. So I called her office, but no one was there. So I tried her emergency number and got an answering service who said they’d deliver a message to her and ask her to get back to me. But I never got any reply. So I called the funeral home again. And again. And again. I heard a lot of excuses why they didn’t know what was going on with my mom. But no answers. I called the care-givers who worked with her for the past six months, but they didn’t know anything either, though they did put in calls to the funeral home and the doctor, too. Finally my sister, a lawyer, called and, not mentioning her relationship to mom, gave it her best lawyer stuff. That seemed to do it and finally I started getting some answers. But, as of Thursday night I still don’t know what happened to my mom after she died.

Which brings up a side point I’d like to make. Hey, America, stop with the frikkin’ excuses already! One of the most valuable things I learned while I was in Japan was how to stop making excuses all the time. Japanese people will not stand for it. Making excuses for anything at any time under any circumstances is seen as unacceptably childish for anyone above the age of three. And even three year olds get a whole lot of shit for it when they do it. Even trying to explain what happened makes you look like a spoiled baby. But here, everybody’s just full of frikkin’ excuses. Shut up, already! Tell me you don’t know the answer and then go out and try to find out what the answer is. I do not want to hear a bunch of lame-ass reasons why someone else made it impossible for you to do what you were supposed to be doing. OK? And I especially don’t want to hear it when the subject in question is the whereabouts of my dead mother. Got it?

But you didn’t want a rant about people making excuses. You wanted to know where people go when they die as told to you by a real live Zen Master right here on SuicideGirls next to lovely Mitsuko and Manko. Well, unfortunately, you seem to have me confused with someone dead. Cuz I don’t know. And neither does anyone else who tells you they do, by the way.

So maybe my mom’s in Heaven or Krishna Loka or Valhalla or maybe she’s in Paradise with her 72 virgins. I can’t say. I can’t even say whether she’s still on ice or if she’s been burned to cinders and shoved into a $75 cardboard box (the Flower Mound Family Funeral Home actually charges $75 for a cardboard box). Buddhist philosophy doesn’t view the subject of death in quite the same way as most other schools of thought. To a Buddhist we are being born and dying every single second of every single day. Not just once or twice a second, but a bunch of times every second. The universe appears and disappears instantaneously. Yet the present moment is eternal. Weird, huh?

In Buddhism, we say that body and mind are one and the same. On the other hand, the idea that the seat of consciousness is the brain is just an assumption. The idea that the brain somehow produces the mind is nothing more than a carry over from the older belief in the existence of the human soul. We’ve moved the position of this imaginary object out of the heart and into the head, or replaced the image of it as a ghost that inhabits our otherwise dead bodies to the image of it as a product of physical processes. But Buddha rejected both of these views — which were already present in the Indian philosophy of his day — entirely. None of our ideas, none of them, no matter how good they are, or how supported they are by authority or even research, absolutely none of our ideas can ever, ever, ever be reality. Reality is absolutely beyond what you or me or Jesus or the Dalai Lama or even Mitsuko and Manko can ever possibly conceive.

Which is not to say that Buddhism ever rejects good science. Good science and reasonable philosophy are wonderful things. We need them. They help us all live better, more enjoyable, more productive and happier lives. But the final answers will never be found in science or philosophy, not even Buddhist philosophy. We have the answers with us all the time. The answer to what your life is, is your life itself. And the answer to what your death is, is your death itself. Don’t turn away from your own life and your own death or you’ll miss out on everything. Don’t try to escape into fantasies of a world beyond this veil of tears, or into depression upon contemplating the empty void you think you’ll experience once your neurons fire their last. You have no idea either way. And it doesn’t matter.

Shit, I know I’m gonna have a new book out in April. But even knowing that doesn’t mean I have any idea what it’ll be like when it happens. No matter what we predict for our own futures, we’re always wrong anyway. I know I am. And so are you, whether you own up to it or not.

The only sensible thing to do is to live this life as it is right now. Leave what happens after you die to after you die.

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It’s 11 AM on Friday and I still haven’t heard a word from the funeral home or the doctor. I’m not gonna call them again just to listen to more excuses either. I have to leave in a few hours, so I’ve resigned myself to not attending my mother’s cremation, which is a very sad thing to me. I have to turn this article in now because I won’t be able to get it in by deadline otherwise. I’ll let you know next week how it turned out. But I suppose I’ll never really know where my mom went after she died.

Brad Warner is the author of Hardcore Zen and the forthcoming Sit Down and Shut Up!. He maintains a blog about Buddhist stuff. If you're in Southern California and you want to try some Zazen for yourself, he has a group that meets every Saturday in Santa Monica.

 
Comments
zyryx

zyryx

Tyler, TX
April 2004

JAN 20, 2007 12:17 PM

sorry you having such a hard time here in texas. as I've learned over the past year, they have made making excuses into an art form.

geo35

geo35

Minneapolis, MN
January 2003

JAN 20, 2007 01:19 PM

Brad, my condolences. I lost both my parents 15 months apart. Though I was in my early 40's at the time, I felt orphaned. We buried their ashes together on the shore of a wilderness lake in Canada. At least I presume that was their ashes since we too didn't get to attend the cremation.

Arthur C. Clarke said he thought we "went out like a candle" - some physical remnant remained, but the flame had gone out.

I myself sometimes entertain the concept of a computer/telecommunications metaphor - we're all like terminals plugged in to the Great Grand "One" (sort of like, though my TV has died, NBC keeps on broadcasting to all the other "living" TV's.) So when I die, my brain blinks off and I become disconnected, but the signal from the Great Spirit Broadcasting Network keeps going out to all the other little organic brain receivers. Eventually, we all die and decompose and thereby provide the material for building future generations of little organic brain receivers. That's about the best I can come up with when asked about my place on the Great Mandala.

You're right - "The only sensible thing to do is to live this life as it is right now. Leave what happens after you die to after you die." Since you mentioned our darling Manko, I'll quote what she said in one of her radio shows last summer: "this will be the only life where I am the me I know now." Since everything else is so unknowable, I try to work with - and take some comfort in - that.


Dr_Lizardo

Dr_Lizardo

Indian Orchard, MA
February 2006

JAN 20, 2007 01:38 PM

Don't know if I can answer your question, about where your mother is, but I can offer a possible standpoint from which to address it.

Years ago, I was watching some TV show or other and there was some footage of a Zen Monk doing calligraphy on a scroll. The voiceover informed us that his peers regarded the monk as using universal consciousness, and not his own, to do the calligraphy. Some time after that I was reading a book called the Art of 20th Century Zen, and the first calligrapher treated in the book was a fellow by the name of Nantenbo. He was notoriously hardassed toward other masters whom he regarded as fakes, and his calligraphic style was very bold an manly. He took his name from his Keisaku, the stick used for whacking monks who fell asleep while meditating or couldn't answer their koans right. He did a calligraphy of his keisaku. In a single stroke, he struck the top of the scroll with his brush, which sent streaks of ink radiating out in all directions, and pulled his brush down the length of the scroll.

So at some point I was sitting on my bed thinking about the monk I had seen on TV, thinking about whether consciousness is universal or corpuscular, and I just suddenly saw before me a lenghth of parchment against a black background, and I saw amd heard Nantenbo's brush hit the parchment with a "Whack!" that echoed in the blackness, and I had the thought "if consciouness is not individual, then it must be universal". It is self-evident. Not that I can tell you what it is, just that it's universal. It was very much as if Nantenbo himself had whacked me upside of the head so that I would get it.

So I would say that it's not that your mother went anywhere, because people aren't nouns, they're verbs, something that matter, energy, and consciousness are doing. Personalities and information are swirls of activity that come and go, even though the matter, energy and consciousness that comprise them can never be created or destroyed. None of us can hang onto the person that we were even a second ago, because what we were a second ago was a swirl of motion, a verb that can never be repeated, and death does not really change that equation, it's just that just that the eyewall of the hurricane breaks up, and we cease to be able to identify ourselves as a distinct identifable verb amongst the contiunous flow of intemingled actions that comprise all that is.

So I don't know if that answers your question, but it's the standpoint from which I address it.

Nokturn

Nokturn

United Kingdom
April 2006

JAN 20, 2007 06:08 PM

Condolences.
The key thing is indeed how you and your family percieve this and using this as an opportunity to keep how your mother lived her life in your mind and do what she would have wanted you to... which inevitably would be to laugh, enjoy yourselves, share a few stories and carry on with your lives.

The last person who this death will effect will be your mother- she will have to deal with no reprocussions of it whatsoever!

And yes, excuses. There is never any excuse for these.
skull

davy

davy

United Kingdom
March 2005

JAN 21, 2007 06:45 AM

I hope you finally got an answer and not another excuse...

lastresort

lastresort

Gatineau, QC
December 2006

JAN 21, 2007 09:31 AM

Dam... I'm sick of that ''excuse'' attitude that people have here. When people try to fight there way out of responsibility with countless excuses I start feeling like ''feed me shit'' is tattooed on my forehead in a bright greenish brown.
I can't stand it anymore...

Good luck with your mom!
wink

Nero1970

Nero1970

Boca Raton, FL
July 2006

JAN 22, 2007 07:47 AM

My Condolences for your loss and pain.
Almost anything said cannot approach to describe the anguish; also seems trite and empty.
She is not in any pain. Beyond religon I can assume that you do feel as if there is a devine "something" .Connecting that faith with a religon is difficult.
It may sound silly but let me disract you to the "Matrix" for a moment.
We are in some sense batteries, the electrical stimulus our essence that causes our laughs, smiles and tears as our minds synapses fire off.
Essentially though I am no scientist energy cannot be distroyed just reledsed from one state to another. Where ever we go is beyond our comprehension.
Your mother is fine and she is and allways will be with you.
live through your pain.
u will be ok.
much Love.