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  • SATURDAY DECEMBER 3 2005 11:20 PM

Porn Again: Boobs for Bibles

Guns for toys. Can foods for tickets to see Foghat. Now an atheistic student group that attends University of Texas at San Antonio has decided to jump in on the "goods for exchange" bandwagon and will trade in bibles for porn. Hard core porn.

“We consider The Bible to be a very negative force in the history of the world,” student Ryan Walker said. He is part of a student group calling itself the "Atheist Agenda."

Club members were on campus asking students to exchange religious materials for pornographic magazines like Black Label and Playboy.

News 4 WOAI’s Demond Fernandez showed the Athiest Agenda's "Smut for Smut" fliers to Pastor Rick Hawkins of the Family Praise Center.

“In my opinion, there are no atheists. There are fools,” Hawkins said. “So, that would be foolish propaganda.”


This also has caused a ruckus among students as they share a section of the quad with the Campus Crusade for Cthulhu’s “Porn and Bibles in Exchange for Eternal Agony” table.

 

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Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

DEC 04, 2005 09:33 AM

Darke said:

Kittie said:
i wonder what i could get for an "adventure bible"




Saw it. Liked it.

hellblazer

hellblazer

I'm lost
February 2005

DEC 04, 2005 09:49 AM

People...

It's a joke. Just a joke. And a damn funny one, I think...

1.) Of course the actual text of the Bible (as vague and contradictory as it often is) has its value. I'm a die-hard atheist and I own copies of various religious texts. Mythology in any form says a lot about what it means to be human. This doesn't make the gag any less funny.

Especially because, as an atheist, I'd sooner get rid of my Bible than I would my pornography. Porn is often more expensive and less ubiquitous.

2.) I'm sick to death of milquetoast atheists who are so terrified of offending of anyone or "giving ammo" to the other side that they can't appreciate a gag like this. That's not tolerance. That's shame.

For me personally, if I walk away from a conversation with a die-hard believer feeling that I haven't offended them in some way, that makes me ashamed.

Arguments keep things interesting. As does having a sense of humor.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

DEC 04, 2005 09:50 AM

ThePassenger said:

Skutch said:
I would argue that sex has been the inspiration for a great many more of the significant pieces of art in history, be it books, painting and sculpture, and especially music.



And far fewer wars.





idk, the trojan war? totally about sex.

Skutch

Skutch

Portland, OR
December 2003

DEC 04, 2005 09:56 AM

pogojoe said:

TedKoppel said:

Skutch said:
I would argue that sex has been the inspiration for a great many more of the significant pieces of art in history, be it books, painting and sculpture, and especially music.


Certainly that's a factor, but I wasn't necessarily saying it was a majority. Just that if you look at art history, the subject of most great paintings up until a certain era was religious.





That's really because the Church was the only place that had the money to pay an artist to make something.



I think it's also fair to say that up until the point where people started making a larger distinction between their secular and spiritual lives, creating works of art of a sexual or really any nature besides devotional would have you branded as a sinner, a heathen, or heretic. And we all know how charmingly tolerant everyone was in the old world. whatever
I will concede that a fair number of the surviving so-called great works of art are of a religious nature, most of which were probably commissioned by the Church or its patrons in the first place and then subsequently hoarded, but I'd still wonder how many of the artists were really inspired by the gospel, and how many just found the iconography to be fascinating.

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

DEC 04, 2005 10:08 AM

Skutch said:
I think it's also fair to say that up until the point where people started making a larger distinction between their secular and spiritual lives, creating works of art of a sexual or really any nature besides devotional would have you branded as a sinner, a heathen, or heretic. And we all know how charmingly tolerant everyone was in the old world. whatever
I will concede that a fair number of the surviving so-called great works of art are of a religious nature, most of which were probably commissioned by the Church or its patrons in the first place and then subsequently hoarded, but I'd still wonder how many of the artists were really inspired by the gospel, and how many just found the iconography to be fascinating.


I question this logic, because there were people who did non-devotional work and painted erotic art without major incident. They were in the vast minority, yes, but I think that reflects the values of the time. Regardless, this is pretty much a derail. My point is much more that for all the humor of this, I think it's harmful to their cause.

Skutch

Skutch

Portland, OR
December 2003

DEC 04, 2005 10:12 AM

But anyways, none of this artsy talk has to do with the original post, so eh...
Blaming the bible for the sins committed by its followers is akin to blaming Marx and Engels for all of the atrocities committed in the name of socialism.
Still, this would totally be worth it just to get a rise out of all the self-righteous religious groups on campus and in the community.

SnowDuck

SnowDuck

Urbana, IL
October 2005

DEC 04, 2005 10:13 AM

If the Bible is such a good book, why do Christians always give it away?

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

DEC 04, 2005 10:16 AM

Ugh, college atheist think they are so clever.

Come to think of it, the bible has much more porn anyway...all that begetting and begotting...they were all about free love. And where better to look for fetishes? Playboy has nothing on them...although they do have good science fiction.

Skutch

Skutch

Portland, OR
December 2003

DEC 04, 2005 10:17 AM

The post on their site also says they did it partly to gain religious material for their group to use as reference, which I think is pretty ingenious really. tongue

ApostropheNow

ApostropheNow

Skull Valley, AZ
April 2004

DEC 04, 2005 10:45 AM

hellblazer said:
People...

It's a joke. Just a joke. And a damn funny one, I think...

1.) Of course the actual text of the Bible (as vague and contradictory as it often is) has its value. I'm a die-hard atheist and I own copies of various religious texts. Mythology in any form says a lot about what it means to be human. This doesn't make the gag any less funny.

Especially because, as an atheist, I'd sooner get rid of my Bible than I would my pornography. Porn is often more expensive and less ubiquitous.

2.) I'm sick to death of milquetoast atheists who are so terrified of offending of anyone or "giving ammo" to the other side that they can't appreciate a gag like this. That's not tolerance. That's shame.

For me personally, if I walk away from a conversation with a die-hard believer feeling that I haven't offended them in some way, that makes me ashamed.

Arguments keep things interesting. As does having a sense of humor.




Want to amuse me?

Join the Satanist group.

So I can fucking kick you out.

PhatLaces

PhatLaces

USA
October 2005

DEC 04, 2005 10:47 AM

Hilarious - ironically I own more bibles than porn, but thats just because I usually get more bibles free than porn. That and people have a tendency to borrow porn and not return it moreso than bibles.

thestral

thestral

Manassas, VA
August 2005

DEC 04, 2005 11:23 AM

hellblazer said:
2.) I'm sick to death of milquetoast atheists who are so terrified of offending of anyone or "giving ammo" to the other side that they can't appreciate a gag like this. That's not tolerance. That's shame.



It's not shame at all. I don't feel ashamed for being an athiest. Quite the contrary. I often feel smarter than those other people. (Because honestly, I am.) It's just that I understand the value of not cracking black jokes in a room full of black people when I'm white. It doesn't go over well. Even if the jokes are funny, it doesn't go over well. Hang out with your friends, crack your jokes, you just don't rub them in the faces of the people you're making fun of. Not if those people are (appaerntly) in the majority and we may someday want to cooperate with them.

NinjaTech

NinjaTech

Minneapolis, MN
November 2003

DEC 04, 2005 11:27 AM

I was way ahead of the game years ago. I started my own bible exchange program. Except instead of the entire bible it was one page at a time. And instead of porn it was a spliff. And it wasn't so much a trade as it was a conversion. And not everyone could participate. It was mainly just myself.

Remj

Remj

Seattle, WA
April 2003

DEC 04, 2005 12:49 PM

I think it's funny. It's not like they were actually stealing bibles from the hands of babes. (And they apparently offered porn for *any* religious text, not just the Bible - I wonder if the Flying Spaghetti Monster was offered.)

It's cool that they offered a different battle field over porn - you get to see high and mighty types crusade in prime time about the evils of porn (causing us to lose some here *ahem*!)...those crusades have a moral bent, "We're better without porn."

The event had fun, which the crusades don't.
The event raised attention, in a wholesome way - people might have been offended by ideas, but it's not like they had a large screen TV blasting it out.
No one's rights were abrogated.

FrankMask

FrankMask

Saint Paul, MN
June 2003

DEC 04, 2005 03:29 PM

I think I'll set up a campus crusade for Cthulhu at the next student activities fair. Pitchers of blood. Black candles. Free Calamari for everyone.

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