...No.

You're right that overly complex music can suck too. Take a lot of the techno and trance that's out these days. Sounds like it's right out of a video game. There's such a thing as a happy medium.

I do believe he wrote his own lyrics, did he not? How did he not do it? Aside from his record company continuing to publish his albums, that is.

Actually, they have 4 albums, and only one isn't Christmas related. Truly, a terrible band. Sorry. If you think that Trans-Siberian Orchestra is an example of music that isn't totally pre-packaged (3 fucking Christmas albums!) you really have NO business ever talking about music.

Is anything that you've said in this thread correct? Heck, I'm not even a big Cobain fan, I just think it's fucking laughable that you're so clueless that your retorts are basically "you wanna suck Cobain's dick" because you don't have anything intelligent to say.

Sorry, I thought you understood that I meant they had 3 Christmas and one non- but I see now that I should have been a touch more clear. My bad. Try this on for size: I propose that it took more thought and imagination to pull off what they did than what Nirvana churned out. Funny how "pre-packaged" means it takes ten years to get 3 albums out. Oh, and one non-Christmas album, let's not forget that... Whereas Nirvana churned out how many nice, wonderful steaming piles? In how long?

Now it falls to you to answer this: Is anything I have said INCORRECT, given the nature of what an opinion actually is? Prove it. Otherwise it all boils down to us simply having to agree to disagree here. Your opinion isn't going to change because of anything I've said (Which is fine since it was never my intent to sway anyone's view.) and mine's not changing either (Which if you thought it would, sorry. Play again when there're better prizes.) so if I am not mistaken it's all a moot point, right? That's the beautiful thing about all this-- IT'S ALL A MATTER OF OPINION.

I suppose the real question is why you chose to express your opinion in the manner of a homeless nutter shrieking the world's least needed manifesto at an uncaring sky.

^^^ Holy shit! That's genius!

Welcome to free speech. The fact of the matter is that one can express their opinion in any manner they wish. I have endured the childish slings and arrows of the other people in this thread (with one guy even threatening to beat me with a crowbar), just as I have slung my own opinion out there for others to read. We are all entitled to disagree. Funny how that works, eh? Like magic, really.

Your opinion: I'm a nutter and I'm wrong about Cobain sucking. My opinion: I'm right, and he did in fact suck. Simple as that. Where do you get that my opinion is some sort of manifesto?

Gahh, fuckin' kernals... *diggs one out of teeth*

Yo, anyone want some of my popcorn?

Anyone, anyone?

This isn't an issue of free speech. It's an issue of behaviour. You have every right to express your opinion, and every right, within the defined parameters of the SG guidelines, to express them in the manner of your choice. What's at issue is the question of why you felt the need to express your opinion in such a belligerent manner to begin with.

In other words, I know you're entitled to act like a jerk if you want to, I'm just at a loss to understand why you'd want to.

And where do I get the idea your opinion is some sort of manifesto? It comes down to one thing again: behaviour. Read your first post. Cobain was a "talentless hack", and a "droolbaby" who was singlehandedly responsible for causing music to "SUCK OUT LOUD for ten years", and who should have "offed himself when Nirvana was still in the garage." This is not a reasonable opinion stated in a reasonable manner, and reads like it's written by someone who has a serious, and unreasonable, amount of emotion invested in the subject.

One thing all manifestos have in common is that they are in their nature a call to conform to one's beliefs. Where did I say this? Regardless of the way I said it, nowhere in my rants did I say that everyone should believe as I do. Did I? No, I didn't.

Now as to why I said it the way I did, I simply feel that way about the man. Like Ted nugent, I too am glad he is gone. (Ted said he was glad K.C. is dead, not saying Ted is dead. Just clarifying.) You may feel that the amount of emotion I invest in my sentiments regarding this matter to be unreasonable and irrational, I don't. I might think the extent to which people defend their hero here might be a bit irrational too. You and the rest who disagree with me don't see it that way. We simply disagree, regardless of HOW I said it, and regardless of how you all say it. Ever thought about that?

A spectre is haunting SG- the spectre of orchestral rock music.

*Shrug*
I like his music.
He did what he did, got rich, killed himself, shit happens. Sucks.

I think it's sad to read people insulting a dead man.

Tell ya what.

Make your own band, get rich, THEN talk shit about his music.

Peace.