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APRIL 19, 2008 @ 02:01 PM

What is Art?

Unlike many people on this site, I'm not an artist, although I have always been patron of fine Arts in France, and as such the propoter of artists such as Molière, Jean-Baptiste Lully and Charles Le Brun. Some adulators even called me the "leader of the muses", like Apollo Musagetes. But there are certainly a lot of people on this site who know mor about art than I do.

I'm living in baroque, where art seems to be relatively simple to distinguish from non-art. For us baroque people, art is what's

  • manmade, and

  • beautiful


This holds for all kind of artwork - be it a painting, a sculpture, an opera, a park, a building, a dress, a novel or whatever. This definition shifts, of course, the question "What is Art?" to the much more tricky question "What is beauty?" - but for now, let's put this other question aside.

This is the baroque conception of art. However, when considering art of your time, I realize that "manmade beauty" may be just one side of art. Art is not always beautiful, at least when you take "beautiful" in the sense "pleasant for the senses". Art can be disturbing, revolting, even shocking. Picassos "Guernica" is certainly anything but pleasant - yet it's great art.



This does not only hold for artworks of your time and my future. Tragedies like King Oidipos or Macbeth are certainly not pleasant, yet they are art. Grünewald's Isenheim Altarpiece is certainly anything but pleasant: A crucified Christ whose skin is full of wounds and abscesses.



More generally, the passion and crucification of our Lord has always been a disturbing, even shocking subject of art. It's troubling for happy and satisfied people, yet consoling for people who are suffering for themselves. Your time has even more pushed forward the disturbing aspect of art - I can't easily imagine someone being consoled from the Guernica. But in any case, be it pleasant or disturbing, art provokes emotions.

Is this the point? Is art anything that's manmade and provokes emotions?

If this would be the case, a public execution or torture would be art - which is certainly not the case. Yet some people seem to believe that art is everything that provokes emotions - like this young man FearTheReaper mentioned in todays "Asshole Fuckface Roundup" who did public coprophiliac acts with a tied-up person as "art performance". Even on this site, this pattern can appear - It's not so long ago that the SG community was shattered by a shocking and disgusting "set" which was certainly not art.

But why do some believe that they become artists by shocking people? This seems to come from a formal fallacy known as Fallacy of the Consequent. It goes like this:

True art provokes emotions
My creation provokes emotions
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Hence, my creation is true art


Which is, of course, nonsense. A similar "artist's fallacy", very popular in your century, goes like this:

True art is not understood by coevals
My creation is not understood by coevals
-----------------------------------------------
Hence, my creation is true art


I've the impression that in your time, there are legions of pseudo-artists who believe in this fallacy, and who make their patrons believe in this fallacy. In consequence, museums are full of ununderstandable pseudo-art like wholly black canvasses, dirty bathtubs or pieces of scrab, and full of visitors who think "I don't understand this, hence it must be art created by a real genius". Which does, of course, not mean that all artworks in your museums are worthless.

But back to the definition of art. If provoking emotions is not enough to create art - what is then art? I've the impression that the initial "manmade beauty" definition still comes very near to the truth - if we don't limit beauty to what's pleasant to the senses. Beauty is certainly more. The Guernica is not pleasant - but beautiful, in a strange way. Grünewald's Christ is beautiful, in a disturbing way. On the other side, something can be pleasant to the senses, but without being beautiful, because it's too simple. In the Holy Empire they have a word for this: "Kitsch". Does art equal "manmad beauty" ? Maybe. I don't know.

With this approach, we are, alas!, back to the question "What is beauty"? I don't know how to define beauty, even if I have some ideas about this subject. But enough for today - maybe I'll describe my ideas about beauty in another entry...

But now I ask you, dear reader, whether you are artist or not: What do you think? What is art?

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MisterSatan

MisterSatan

Vancouver, WA
August 2002

APR 19, 2008 04:40 PM

YOU are art, pure and simple.

Cosmo

Cosmo

Lansdale, PA
November 2003

APR 19, 2008 05:21 PM

^^^^What MisterSatan said.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Montreal, QC
May 2003

APR 19, 2008 05:30 PM

Sometimes artifice trumps art.

grayness

grayness

Lexington, SC
January 2006

APR 19, 2008 07:07 PM

Perhaps art is not meant to be dissected with logic. I'd say, as with love, that it is in the eye of the beholder.
For after all, is not half of art the perception, the viewing, the interpretation that follows the creation?
Can art be art without an audience? If so, is that a fitting and proper destiny for art?

I seem to have as many questions as answers. And this perhaps fits in with the balance that I have seem to believe exists in such matters....

Kindle

Kindle

Seattle, WA
March 2006

APR 19, 2008 07:16 PM

Wow, just wow. I'm in agreement with MisterSatan.

Zaccone

Zaccone

Houston, TX
November 2004

APR 20, 2008 12:14 AM

perhaps they are onto something, are humans in and of themselves art? The intrecacies of their bodies, and the way they work, is this not art/beatiful?I think it is, for me personally I believe that whether art is art is to be determined by the audience. So thus I believe art needs an audience to be art or beautiful (with regards to the question that grayness asked).

Dwam

Dwam

SUICIDEGIRL

France

APR 20, 2008 03:32 AM

Chocolat et sucre coûtent cher, certes... Mais vous pouvez toujours augmenter les impôts de manire totalemnt arbitraire, ou, plus intelligemment, réduire le faste de la cour. Je suis sûre que vous pourrez ainsi vous offrir une douceur méritée.
Vous avez aussi la possibilité de soudoyer les sorcières hinhinhin

NiuNiu

NiuNiu

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

APR 20, 2008 11:20 AM


True art is not understood by coevals
My creation is not understood by coevals
-----------------------------------------------
Hence, my creation is true art

I've the impression that in your time, there are legions of pseudo-artists who believe in this fallacy, and who make their patrons believe in this fallacy. In consequence, museums are full of ununderstandable pseudo-art like wholly black canvasses, dirty bathtubs or pieces of scrab, and full of visitors who think "I don't understand this, hence it must be art created by a real genius".



i dont agree with this. just because your highness doesnt understand it doesnt mean that was the intention of the artist.
the white canvas that you speak of is a piece called "white paintings" done by Robert Rauschenberg in 1951. the piece it self is meant to be "blank and reflective that their surfaces respond and change in sympathy with the ambient conditions in which they are shown", explained Rauschenberg himself, ""so you could almost tell how many people are in the room." As a viewer, i did not exclaim "oh this is brilliant!" when i first encountered it, because i didnt get it. i believe modern art makes you question, makes you ask "why is this here?" its not just a blind "conformity". of course there are still those that pretend to enjoy something that they cant comprehend. but those people are stupid, and i dont wanna talk to them.

unravled

unravled

Vancouver, WA
August 2003

APR 20, 2008 11:42 AM

Brilliant, your Majesty.

anonymouse

anonymouse

Miami Beach, FL
OLD SKOOL

APR 20, 2008 12:00 PM

O hai, Sun King.

Scopitone

Scopitone

Irvine, CA
OLD SKOOL

APR 20, 2008 03:34 PM

Is it the blood of young runaways or simply an old tyme moisturizing tonic that's kept the magic going all these centuries?

RuneLateralus

RuneLateralus

Chicago, IL
December 2002

APR 20, 2008 10:05 PM

Just came show my support. Long live Louis_XIV!

obd

obd

Venice, CA
June 2003

APR 20, 2008 11:44 PM

It's late and I find myself somewhat at a loss for words. I shall however, most humbly, try to answer the question posed. I believe that Art is an act of creation through which man seeks to understand and expose his place in the universe in relation to God other men, and the rest of creation (or in our time, our place in existence and relationship to each other given the absence of any sort of divinity). In this regard, the apparent beauty or legibility of the work in question are not relevant. We may find enlightenment in the grotesque (Picasso's Guernica, the work of Francisco Goya or Hieronymus Bosch) or the sublime.It is not emotion that art seeks to produce, existential thought.

Siv

Siv

SUICIDEGIRL

District Of Columbia, USA

APR 21, 2008 04:48 AM

"painted characters" from your Cassie post made me snort-laugh.

Vivid

Vivid

SUICIDEGIRL

Michigan, USA

APR 22, 2008 08:02 AM

Dear King, I have far too long stood in your royal shadow.
Please bless upon me the sun of your friendship.

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