Member: FrankMask

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APRIL 7, 2009 @ 12:55 AM


As the number of Suicide Girls increased it became harder to grok each person as an individual.

Nudity is cheap, porn is free and universally available. The value wasn't in the nudity and it wasn't in the tattoos. It wasn't in the quality of the photography or the subjective aesthetic appeal of the individual women.

Instead, the value was in the interaction with approachable and unique individuals. Seeing a person as a symbol of sexuality, and interacting with them as an individual provided a unique product. Nudity and porn are available free, but the individual is lost entirely and replaced with a symbol. Being able to see the person as a symbol while interacting with them as an individual was a unique combination. When combined with the quality of discussion in the community forums and the capacity for community organization in the groups Suicide Girls possessed a clear value as a unique product.

As the number of SGs and members began to increase dramatically it became more difficult to interact with and approach individuals as individuals. The increase in membership correlated with an apparent decrease in quality of the community aspects, the forums especially. The rapidly increasing number of models made approaching any new model as a unique individual somewhat more difficult. Old models and friends began to drop out. Personal and professional issues between SG Inc., it's members, and it's models came into the public sphere, and the actions of the various groups involved undermined an important part of SGs advertising; that SG Inc. was actively creating a community that was concerned more with community, empowerment of women, and breaking down of objectifying, dehumanizing, or destructive sexual products than it was with the pursuit of profit for profits sake. With the understanding that their was no altruistic social justice motive to the business Suicidegirls immediately lost an important element of it's appeal. The continual attrition of early Suicidegirls and members and the enormous influx of new Suicidegirls and Members rapidly changed the nature of the community at a pace that was difficult for some established members to follow. The appearance of many competeing alternaporn sites removed the monopoly of novelty. The emergence and wide adoption of social networking sites reduced the importance of the social networking aspect of suicidegirls.

In the end, the products offered by SG at cost could be found for free or at reduced cost in other venues, the community value was absent or severely diluted, and SG had lost the very valuable image of a progressive organization with a social justice and underground culture agenda that was advanced as being more important than profit. Ultimately, the product was no longer worth the price.
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eScottie

eScottie

Minneapolis, MN
August 2003

APR 07, 2009 06:48 AM

No longer worth the price, and sometimes not worth the time.

Kundalini

Kundalini

Kalamazoo, MI
June 2004

APR 07, 2009 08:49 AM

You're right, and you're getting much disrespect for it on your thread - Another symptom of why this site isn't worth the money. Someone drops in to make a pithy comment on an intelligent thoughtful post and suddenly it's an avalanche of idiocy. There are a lot of coat-tail riders around here enjoying the anonymity that the internet provides to the rude and uncouth and the community that once existed is only a shadow of its former self.

Otter

Otter

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

APR 07, 2009 12:02 PM

I am (relatively) a newbie. (Member since August 2008; SG since November 2008.) This post makes me sad and it makes me wonder what life on SuicideGirls was like back in the good ol' days... *Sigh* I suppose I'll never know... frown

turin

turin

Denver, CO
October 2003

APR 07, 2009 12:18 PM

you're right, of course. and, of course, you're getting dismissed and ridiculed by the same people who've been dismissing and ridiculing every suggestion that SG might be imperfect for as long as I've been a member.

any long-term member can see that the community today is a pathetic shell of its former self, and becoming a suicide girl has become almost an insult since member review, but most of the people who've stuck with it the longest are blinded by their emotional investment. naturally, SG's are going to attack you too; nobody ever wants to hear they've been fooled, unintentionally or not. so yeah, tuffy's amused, but he has it completely backwards.

a few years ago I would have jumped into that thread happily, but SG still dredges up the sort of determined brand loyalty it earned in its heyday, in a way normally reserved for politics or religion. you literally cannot reason with that kind of mindset, and I no longer enjoy arguing with consensus mistaken for right, and clever put-downs mistaken for debate. add in the herd of thoughtless sycophants who inevitably come around to score some easy points, and you have the only kind of thread that gets any activity anymore.

but, personally, I care less every day. I can think of a lot of ways to fix SG, but the SG I'd have wanted to fix hasn't existed in years.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

APR 07, 2009 05:23 PM

It took me a while to get into the community aspects of the site. I admit that originally the alternaporn bit was what kept me coming back. But the simple fact that the models were -actual- girls next door (I mean, I've hung out with them at their homes) and many of them were geeks too, that was really something special.

And for those SGs that still fit that profile, great. But I feel like the hopeful spam and Member Review have hung most of that out to dry.

FWIW, SG also seems to have largely jettisoned the alternative bit for much the same reasons. There are definitely hot, geeky/punky/whatever new SGs, but there's all too many that strike me as easily being found in the pages of Playboy.

But for all that, I don't really feel like leaving just yet.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

APR 09, 2009 05:02 PM

It's definitely a great showcase for BluRay. The annoying little kid and monkey are annoying. The story's nothing special (except for being crazy. It's definitely crazy.), but it's okay.

And John Goodman wrestles a ninja.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

APR 10, 2009 05:22 PM

I'm opening an etsy store soon, so I will by the end of the month.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

APR 12, 2009 02:57 PM

I definitely like the fixed price, plus the lack of commission to the site.

meta

meta

Saint Paul, MN
March 2005

APR 22, 2009 10:12 AM

yes.

renegadefuzz

renegadefuzz

San Francisco, CA
April 2005

APR 22, 2009 03:33 PM

Oh dear... I miss when we used to live next door to each other.

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