SuicideGirl: Phoenix
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Phoenix I want all of my cells to touch all of your cells.

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JUNE 4, 2010 @ 12:55 PM


I have a question for everybody: I'd like to know what your opinion is on the dynamic between my persona as a nude model with my persona as a professional artist. I'm very curious because I always felt that I should separate the two, 'don't mix sex with business', because it would diminish me as a business woman yet I'm starting to wonder if this approach is becoming outdated.

As an example, I got an email from a guy that had seen my work, found my tumblr where I'd posted an eloquent nude photo of an asian model (not me), and thought that this might be a picture of me. Contrary to it making him take me less seriously, it seems like it actually made him more curious about who I am and in turn want to contact me and buy my work. Is this a rare case or do you think this is the norm?

I know that eventually all of these aspects of 'me' will have to merge. One day some scandal is going to happen where I am revealed as an SG eeek tongue. I'm not really concerned so much except that it might cause my father to have a heart attack if he accidentally stumbles upon my naked ass on the net or in some tabloid.

New painting:

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It's a collaboration with another artist. Can you tell which part I did? wink
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Rydell

Rydell

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

JUN 04, 2010 01:03 PM

Well....I think u being naked here is art so in turn shows a different side of your creativity. I think people worry too much about what is art and what is porn...it is all in the eye of the beholder....I mean I dont see someone slathering their feet in ketchup porn but someone else might.....so....I guess it is all in what u feel comfortable with the world see u as.

Me I dont think being naked diminishes a person from what they do professionally...as long as it doesnt effect their work what should I care what they do or how they express them selves privately....I wouldnt stop going to a restaurant if I knew they couple who owned it was gay or swingers....it has no effect on their job per say.

Wish more people could separate the 2

Kisses hun miss ya

Oldernow

Oldernow

Ithaca, NY
January 2006

JUN 04, 2010 01:12 PM

I think they are separate--at this point in our society, anyway... and that those who aren't bothered, or are even wholesomely interested in learning that someone is both a nude model on the web and an artist really don't care about any aspect of oneself aside from the art; whereas those that are bothered, will thereafter be contaminated in their perspective -- and in what they tell others, and that can be a real psychic/psychological drag... I'd keep them separate until the artist in you demands their integration.

Mind you, I see nothing at all wrong with being in another profession and being a model as well--there are many women in that capacity on this site, which is one reason I hang around here. In the end, I guess I'd have to say that the differentiation of art - nudity - sex triad will long be an issue in this world of ours; I don't think there's such a thing as nudity without sex, but I do think that there is art without sex, and sex without art! surreal

oh yeah... the beautiful girl is your contribution!

Jaxy

Jaxy

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

JUN 04, 2010 01:14 PM

That painting is so cute.

I think in your line of work, mixing the nude model isn't going to hurt anything. In other lines of work it might be deemed unprofessional... but staying within the lines of art I believe it to be acceptable. But that is my own personal opinion and really... I don't hide my nakedness from anyone but my grandmother and I'm slowly letting go of that because I just don't care.

jayenh

jayenh

Fairbanks, AK
March 2004

JUN 04, 2010 01:28 PM

I don't know whether a majority of female visual artists have done nude modeling, but in my experience it's a norm. Nude self-portraiture is also common (and encouraged).

Having been photographed for a soft core pay site, rather than fine art, is a little different. Some people in and out of the art community find it objectionable. Others encourage it ... it's your body, do what you want. It's going to be a mixed bag. There will definitely be some negative reaction to it, but even then, people are accepting. Artists are poor, you do what you have to for money, et cetera. Just remain dignified.

But being naked on the Internet is becoming so unremarkable these days that I think if/when you run for school board a decade or three from now, it's not going to be a question of whether there are sexy photos of you and your girl bits floating around, it's going to be whether they are good ones. There's not much shock value left.

I'm sure Martha Stewart did nude shoots back in her modeling days. I keep hoping I'll run across those photos one of these days.

S_Eldorado

S_Eldorado

Vancouver, BC
December 2004

JUN 04, 2010 01:37 PM

It's a tough call actually. For me the nudity is art in itself but it's for an appreciably different audience - which is actually the case for your paintings and drawings as well. The real question is, which audiences do you want to attract and retain?

That piece is fucking amazing. Kristian Adam was the co-conspirator I'm guessing?

superchibisan

superchibisan

Denver, CO
December 2007

JUN 04, 2010 02:03 PM

I wish nudity wasn't so taboo...

jayenh

jayenh

Fairbanks, AK
March 2004

JUN 04, 2010 02:12 PM

Nudity isn't a big deal. Unless it's Lee Friedlander shooting Madonna, or Bert Stern shooting Marilyn Monroe, there's not a lot of popular interest in art nudes. They're not news. It's porn that has the taboo.

jayenh

jayenh

Fairbanks, AK
March 2004

JUN 04, 2010 02:22 PM

Your recent work reminds me of some of Patrick Woodruff's fantasy art from the 70s and 80s. Neat stuff.

MissyMalice

MissyMalice

USA
May 2010

JUN 04, 2010 03:08 PM

i think, like you said, that attitude is beginning to become outdated. i think there are many people in our generation that tend to be entirely non-judgemental about it, but our parents' generation... not so much. but honestly its entirely a matter of if you feel comfortable mixing the two or not.

tilpacer

tilpacer

Calgary, AB
December 2005

JUN 04, 2010 03:21 PM

I say do whatever you feel comfortable doing. If you want to keep your nude model persona exclusive from your artist/business, that makes total sense. If you want to merge the two, you can as well. I think you have a better understanding of yourself and the business of art.

I guess I am saying, it is your choice in your life and therefore my opinion should not matter.

ron4164

ron4164

Ponchatoula, LA
January 2007

JUN 04, 2010 07:35 PM

Choices!
I see your nude persona as art too!
Your choice Phoenix!
Love the art you post. So beautiful!
Take care. kiss kiss love

slightlyjaded

slightlyjaded

Vancouver, BC
September 2008

JUN 04, 2010 07:45 PM

Love this Collaboration...and you naked is alright with me! tongue

BobTHbuildurrr

BobTHbuildurrr

I'm lost
September 2009

JUN 06, 2010 04:38 AM

I love your artwork because its unique and interesting to me, and when im looking at your naked ass its because your sexy as hell and i love it - yes the sex appeal is helped by the fact your a talented artist and an interesting person.
The fact your sexy does not make your art seem any more amazing but it probably would cause me to buy lots of it if we were discussing this in person!biggrin

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