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JULY 13, 2010 @ 03:12 PM


When can you say a tattoo is a copy ?

Around the end of august last year, I went to Mikado and asked him to draw for me an Eastern Phoebe and a Tufted Titmouse, one would have a lock on its stomach and the other one would be holding a key in its beak. I brought pictures of what these two favorite birds species of mine looked like and he took the mesures on my stomach... He quickly came up with a wonderful design which was exactly what I was looking for. After the first session all the outlines were drawn and I took a picture :



Gildas the Titmouse and Clermont the Phoebe were born. They are both a tribute to my love for birds and to my father who wanted to get a tattoo of a bird but died too early to do so, in 2008. That's the most meaningful tattoo I got for the moment.

A month or so later I went back to Mikado to get these lovelies filled with colors. That was probably the most horrible tattoo session I had, I went back to my house with a strong fever and slept for the rest of the day^^ But it was worth it !


Nice story.

Around hm... may? I got a PM over here from Lapsus, sending me a link to this picture on Tumblr :



Looks a bit like Gildas right ? The funniest thing is that you can tell she based it on the first picture (with just the outlines) because the tattoo artist copied the perspective and so the bird has a way shorter tail than it should.
As soon as I saw that, I tried to contact the girl who got that tattoo. Thanks to some friends who are better stalkers than me I was able to look at her tumblr, facebook, twitter and so on (internet is a wonderful land). Then I contacted her, then some friends did the same... but she didn't care, she said she had no regrets and that some things are more important than stupid tattoos like the fact that her father just died. Oh the irony.

This story ended on some friend's blogs and also forums I had no idea about. It gave me the possibility to read about what happened from many point of views and generally people were either infuriated or did not see what was the big deal. So, when can you say a tattoo is a copy ?
Most of the people reacting about this were wondering if the tattoo was an original design or not. In other words if I had found these birds in a book and then this girl found my picture and got them, then it wouldn't be a copy? Do you think copying a design, no matter if it's on someone's skin or on a piece of paper, is the same? Just a plain casual way to get a tattoo?
My point of view, but maybe it's just me, is that finding a design in a book or even just a picture you like on the wonderful interweb and thinking "that would make a great tattoo, I want this on my skin" is already a way more personal approach than searching for tattoos that already look good and thinking "yup, I want the same!" Sorry but I despise this kind of people. To me getting a tattoo is taking the risk to ink forever on your skin something that translate a feeling, a passion, a moment of your life (or a silly joke uh) that MEANS SOMETHING to you. But I guess some people just want "something pretty" or something that caught their eyes when they googled bird key tattoo

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Yes, probably.

Ohhh wait, the second one! It's been redesigned! Yes, I contacted the girl who got these... " I told my friend what i had in mind for years now and she put it to paper." What a great and creative friend. (btw thanks to fuckyeahtattoos ! and particularly piratekitten for contacting me about these tattoos).

I'll have a pride rise here and will dare to say that none of these people know the species of the birds they have on their skin...

Oh well, it's my fault, I posted a pic of this tattoo on internet, I should have know better!! right?

In the end I don't mind being copied and Mikado is fine with it as well. And I'm not the only one, far from that. I just can't get over the fact that some people are apparently too stupid and boring to make their own silly birds holding a stupid key... it's such a basic idea... next time I'll get this. It looks good and that's just what matters to me!

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Sirkka

Sirkka

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

JUL 13, 2010 03:31 PM

i'll comment on this later when i'm not quite so speechless.
madmadmad

Geisha

Geisha

SUICIDEGIRL

Sweden

JUL 13, 2010 03:33 PM

Ben tu sais ce que je pense, hein...

Jaxy

Jaxy

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

JUL 13, 2010 03:35 PM

This makes me sad but I think I'd be kind of flattered at the same time. *shrugs*

I love your birdies. They are cute but what draws me in is the key/keyhole idea within them. +I love that it's a tribute tattoo. <3

noend

noend

USA
April 2006

JUL 13, 2010 03:38 PM

well, yur tattoo is gorgeous.
i don't disagree with you, but what i love the most is the perpetuation of the faulty perspective. that makes me laugh.
thanx for sharing this story.

Panther289

Panther289

Sayreville, NJ
May 2004

JUL 13, 2010 03:55 PM

It is an unfortunate part of art in general. Beautiful ideas are copied without concern for the original meaning. Even if there was a way to copywrite or protect it, there would still be someone who finds their own meaning within the work.One of the major parts of art, be it tattoo, painting, sculpture or music is allowing the observer to create their own interpitation.
Tattoo being the artform that becomes a physical part of the creator and artist, I feel that each one(tattoo)should be a personal work. Some though find it easier to copy and reinterpt art to fit them.
It may be hard accept, but with the internet wonderful ideas travel globally. You and your artist created a beautiful and meaningful piece and unfortunately imitation is inevitable.
I know this is of little consolation though. frown

BEN_B

BEN_B

Los Angeles, CA
June 2009

JUL 13, 2010 04:07 PM

I think it's just kinda sad. Every piece of "art" is inspired, derived or copied from something else... but she has a flat-out forgery on her skin. So little imagination.

Musa

Musa

Chile
June 2008

JUL 13, 2010 04:17 PM

i'm a big fan of your tattoos, but never never i can do like this, this people is so fake, they are thieves.

cudnovati

cudnovati

Mexico
January 2005

JUL 13, 2010 04:18 PM

i´ve always been protective of mine though they are posted at online places. they are custom made original designs but i just can´t control who sees them and who likes them and who wants to copy them. i know i´d be pretty pissed if i saw them on someone else.

Feyne

Feyne

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

JUL 13, 2010 04:26 PM

... Ouah, je ne pensais pas qu'il avait été autant copié.

Je pense que ces personnes n'ont tout simplement pas saisi l'esprit du tatouage, l'aspect intime de l'art et le concept d'humilité / de respect des dessins d'autrui qui devrait naturellement en découler.

Ce sont en effet des gens qui pèchent des dessins sur la peau des autres par manque de créativité je pense, ou tout simplement par manque de sens dans leur démarche. J'aime les oiseaux. Je google. Je trouve un tatouage d'oiseaux. Il me plaît. Je prends, à l'identique de préférence (ça me rassure d'avance du rendu).

Ca craint, aussi.

hodssorrow

hodssorrow

New Zealand
September 2009

JUL 13, 2010 05:01 PM

I don't completely regret any of my tattoo's but am now a little disappointed with my second simply because the design I did wouldn't fit and I let the artist talk me into one from his portfolio, all of my other tattoo's I spent atleast a year designing and making sure it was what I wanted. I'm pretty sure a lot of people will copy my sleeve even though I have kept the artwork to myself people are constantly asking me about it since I chose to use a snake as it looks in real life instead of the tacky colours some people use to make a tattoo stand out.

rouquine

rouquine

Canada
October 2008

JUL 13, 2010 05:17 PM

I think it's a horrible thing to do as well. Shame on them.

Pseekaal

Pseekaal

SUICIDEGIRL

France

JUL 13, 2010 05:40 PM

frown c'est nul grr...
moi aussi je me suis fait des oiseaux ^_^, c'est la crainte que j'ai en me faisant un tatouage (pour celui que j'ai c'est pas grave car ce n'est pas un tatouage original mais ça vient d'un groupe de musique), mais je voulais en dessiner un moi même sans vouloir qu'on puisse le copier.

Ayant travailler à l'accueil d'une boutique de tatouage, bien que j'aimais parler aux gens, il y en avait de sacrément... débiles oui disons le, qui demandaient des catalogues, pensaient que les books en étaient... Le meilleur fut un mec qui voulait de la typo sur son bras, et au lieu de chercher une typo sur internet, il a cherché des photos de tatouages de typo, lettre par lettre, avec l'angle de la photo et tout et à reconstituer son mot avec ses trouvailles,... Ca peut être assez créatif d'un certain sens...

melted

melted

El Segundo, CA
October 2004

JUL 13, 2010 07:19 PM

Your birds are beautiful but the copies are ugly. Yours look like they might fly off or start to sing; the copies seem dead and heavy and dull and somehow not quite right.

DrOcculari

DrOcculari

Appleton, WI
June 2005

JUL 13, 2010 08:57 PM

SG Amina had her chest piece registered with the US Copyright Office after it was copied by another tattoo artist. See http://suicidegirls.com/news/culture/14632/

Persephone

Persephone

SUICIDEGIRL

Western Sahara

JUL 13, 2010 10:07 PM

The copies are very poor representations of your original tattoo, so that's a plus. My tattoo is also very popular around the internets and sometimes I wonder if someone will try to copy it. Luckily, most people think insects are gross so even if they like my tattoo, they don't seem to want it for themselves smile

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