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OCTOBER 31, 2002 @ 08:14 AM


I really really hate the discussion that keeps going on and on (and on) on bust.com about porn. It's me and a couple of pro-porn people (and I'm the only one who has any actual involvement in anything even resembling porn) arguing againsts a few RABID anti-porn people.

And it's not that I don't respect being anti-porn. Every person is entitled to their own opinion. But the language that gets used on the anti side of the debate disgusts me. I spend most of my time defending my choice to pose for SG and for my efforts I either get told that i'm being fooled by men or that it's degrading to be "whoring myself out" to people.

I mean, great job, great FUCKING job. Way to go, reducing women to either children to stupid to make up their own minds or whores (whether they know it or not) How completely FEMINIST of you, refusing to take other women's feelings and expressions as valid.

More stuff about how I feel about porn in

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And tell me if i should do something weird with my hair. (i'm thinking of dying it purple, I want advice)

Questions for today:
1. Are you a feminist? why or why not?
2. What could you never be in a romantic relationship without? What things are "dealbreakers"?
3. Give me some suggestions for more questions to ask, jerkasses! smile

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Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

OCT 31, 2002 08:21 AM

Oh, and HAPPY HALLOWEEN! I wish my outfit wasn't so thin and so see through (not only would my nipples be hard all the time because it's freezing outside, but everyone would very clearly be able to see them), otherwise i'd be wearing it now. I'll have to wait for RHPS tonight.

1. Yes. Because I am.
2. Let's see...well, one of the most important things to me (not because i'm a dirty slut, just because) is a matching sexual chemistry. It sounds petty, but I think it can turn out to be a big big deal later on in a relationship if you're just not sexually compatable with another person. So anyone I have a relationship with has to be VERY sexually adventurous and playful and open to a lot of new experiences, basically. And willing to give it to me a lot!

And to watch porn with me. But not "girls gone wild" porn, thank you.

And very conservative types need not apply.

Anyone who doesn't believe in queer rights need not apply, either.

They can't mind that i'm bi and don't want kids.

Have to like eddie izzard, and therefore have a sense of humor.

There's probably a lot more, but I can't think of it at the moment.

Bijou

Bijou

SUICIDEGIRL

Thailand

OCT 31, 2002 08:31 AM

1. no way, not a feminist.
why? b/c i never felt impassioned by it. and i think it further seperates women and men, it doesn't serve to make us equal, drawing attention to the divide forces the division to exist. and also i guess i personally have never felt as though i wasn't equal with any man and no man has ever given me the impression that he thought i was inferior. so i guess it's kinda lame the whole: well it just doesnt effect me, but really i have more pressing issues in my life to deal with.
2. could NOT be in a relatonship w/o trust! any form of cheating and you are out the door. good sex helps too, but in the end its all about having someone you could trust to stand by you when you are old and decrepit and shit your pants in a movie theater, so i guess good sex is ephemeral but who knows i'm only 22.
3. no time for other q's going to be late to class.

NoPantsDave

NoPantsDave

Cincinnati, OH
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 08:33 AM

1. I'm not a feminist. Mostly because I don't understand what is distinctly meant by it. I see so many different things that are labeled 'feminist'. If by it you mean that women should be treated equal to men, then I'd be all for it. However, some of the stuff makes it sound like women should be treated better then men, that it is their turn to occupy the top slot or something like that, that I just don't agree with. Granted, the domination of most fields by men historically is wrong, but it also can't be changed since it is in the past. I'm all for equal treatment, but not for some kind of compensatory bonus treatment. One thing that really bothers me about Feminism in Philosophy classes in particular is that much of their writing could be categorized as them whining that men have dominated the field for 2500 years, to which I say, "Stop whining and start doing worthwhile philosophy and that will change, but complaining about it won't do a damn thing." Though, I must admit, I have only read what I have been forced to read in class since my interests tend to lie in Ancient and Medieval Philosophy and there just isn't much in the way of feminism in those eras (Apart from Plato saying that men and women should be equal because not doing so is silly because then you are only getting half of the production that you could be from the state.)

2. She must, must, must, must be well-read. Not just that she has read a lot of books, but that she has read a lot of quality books.

Sorry, no questions for you yet....let me think about it for awhile.

black0ut

black0ut

Albany, NY
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 08:40 AM

1) no, i'd help a friend but not a gender.
2) trust, i just wish it weren't so difficult to test for.

purple can turn grey if not done correctly. i think colour has a lot to do with skin tone. i really can't tell what yer's is in the pix cause of lighting and it's just not the best way to tell. but, if you have a skin tone that doesn't sit right with purple (be sure you know if you're doing a more blue-based or a more red-based) then it could come out really awkward. of course, this may or may not matter to you depending on how permanent you expect this to be. i use the same discretion when purchasing lingerie. wink

btw, someone gimme a job where i can dye my hair again. happy helloween.

jupiter6

jupiter6

Svalbard And Jan Mayen
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 08:59 AM

1. hm. sort of. i mean, i agree with the basic principles of the ideology, but i feel like it's been distorted so much in recent years. but i also agree with what bijou said about it further separating men & women. i think that's true, too. so yeah, sort of. how's that for a lame answer?

2. i think the sexual chemistry thing is quite important. some people probably think i put too much emphasis on that, but really.. it's a big deal. whenever i start dating somebody and it starts getting serious or whatever, and we haven't slept together yet.. i always get really worried that there's going to be no chemistry and it's going to suck (no pun intended) and fuck up the whole thing. maybe i'm shallow, i dunno. i also don't think i could deal with somebody who was heavily religious and attended services weekly. of course, if they were, they'd probably think i was one of the devil's minions or something. and i can't deal with stupid people. at all.

3. when i used to do a zine, i asked everyone i interviewed "have you ever been set on fire? and if so, how?" you'd be surprised at some of the freakish answers you get. my favorite was when i interviewed tilt (this was in 95 i think) and then bass player, gabe, said he hadn't, and then came back 10 minutes later with some lighter fluid and a cigarette lighter. so i got to light gabe's hand on fire. it was very punk rock. biggrin

eddie quote of the day: "'how's it coming along dr. heimlich?' 'well not very well at the moment. it's not really a manuever at the moment. it's more of a gesture.' as the national rifle assocation says, it's not guns that kill people, it's manuevers."

crazydasaint

crazydasaint

Washington, DC
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 09:16 AM

1) Hellz yeah. Despite all the confusing flavors and scare propaganda (and, admittedly, some self-described feminists aiming their rhetorical firearms toeward), feminism is still valuable and important. I do believe that cultural degredation of females and feminine characteristics (femiphobia) is still at the heart of most of our problems as a society.

2) I read this question and the first thing to come to mind is "beggars can't be choosers." All the same, I think that respect is a must. I couldn't be with somebody I didn't think highly of, or somebody who made me lose self-respect.

3) "The neurotic assumes too much responsibility; the person with a character disorder not enough. When neurotics are in conflict with the world, they automatically assume that they are at fault. When those with character disorders are in conflict with the world, they automatically assume the world is at fault." --Scott Peck. Which of these two comes closer to describing you? Are you neurotic or disordered?

clovesbud

clovesbud

Los Angeles, CA
September 2002

OCT 31, 2002 10:22 AM

Let's see. I'm a feminist, gay friendly nonconservative doofus from LA that loves Eddie Izzard and Nick Drake and thinks you should go purple, but like a really rich, deep purple. Uh, kids are for other people and girls that aren't bi are not to be trusted. I was one of the producers on Almost Famous and hail you for mentioning it. I also did the dvd for Say Anything ande sat with Cameron, John and Ione as they did the commentary. Cool? Uh, yeah!! Don't ever give your address out to random blokes like me, but maybe I could send you some rare Almost Famous treats to SGHQ? Would that get your mind off dipshits and their condescending attitude toward female sexuality? Hmmm? Happy Halloween!

Al

Al

SUICIDEGIRL

Christmas Island

OCT 31, 2002 11:01 AM

1) I'm a feminist, but I prefer to call myself a humanist. I think people should be judged not on the color of their skin, nor what's between their legs, nor which god they place thier faith in, but by their abilities and by the content of their character. Unfortunately, I feel inclined to treat women like objects so often for that is how they see themselves and portray themselves. So many expect men to open doors for them and then get mad when they're treated... like children, I suppose. I have the same argument against many feminists as you do, that they don't give women enough credit, they don't think women can decide things for themselves; in short, they behave just like men do who want to keep seeing women as objects, children, animals, whatever. Obviously if you choose to show people your body you must be stupid, right? I'm no activist specifically for women's rights for the violation of the rights of any human being upsets me, male or female. It just so happens that women are subjugated more often. The way I promote feminism (though I call it humanism, again) in my every day life, is not to discriminate based on gender or sex or whathaveyou. When you treat people like equals, they will behave like equals. I find that many feminists, rather than wanting women to be treated the way men are, instead want men to be treated the way women are. I'm not quite sure why, possibly out of spite, for revenge, etc... now isn't that mature? Eh, I'm sure you know what I mean on most of these counts, so I'll stop clogging up your journal.

2) I could never be in a romantic relationship with someone who thought masturbation and/or porn was wrong. Really.

3) uh... what's your dream date? what's your dream vacation? man, do I have answers for these...

menulis

menulis

Azerbaijan
October 2002

OCT 31, 2002 11:29 AM

People are entitled to their opinions, yep.
It's when they put down people whose opinions differ that they become total goobs. Which is why I usually (note - usually) keep mine to myself - my beliefs on just about everything are so complex that when I would try to explain them, people would jump on me. So now I just hush up unless I feel a voice needs to be heard.
(which is why I'm studying to be a lobbyist for civil rights - then i can shoot my mouth off all i want *AND* get paid!)

1) Mostly, yes. Women have been put down too much in society for, well, forever, and a lot of good ideas/ideals have been pushed aside because they come from the mouth of a woman. I pictured something one night that pretty much solidified my opinion : Think about all the people who "run" the nations they respectively live in. And I'm just talking political here. Think about their actions against others. Do you think, if all the world leaders were women, we would have as many problems as we do? Hell no.

2) The very infrequent arguement. And, just in my eyes, relationships are the most poetic forms of moral anarchy (not chaotic anarchy, just anarchy mind you) so there really aren't dealbreakers for me.

3) Do you like cheese? Why or why not?

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

OCT 31, 2002 11:39 AM

Okay, I feel like I should clear something up here. HERE is why I am a feminist. At least, here are some things i know:

anorexic becomes more and more common every year. "women's magazines" preach acceptance of all body types but fill their pages with stick-thin models. Woman are still sold or forced into prostitution and porn. Rape happens all too often, is too often justified, and in court a woman's sexual history will STILL be held against her if she was raped as if...what, if she's slept with a lot of people than everyone should be able to fuck her? She asked for it? Women still make less money then men, in comparable salaried jobs. Woman are not allowed to be truly sexually liberated because if they do they are a slut and if they don't they are a prude. Pro life politicians are still trying to legislate what women can do with their bodies. It's still okay for a woman to be refered to as nothing but a body, some breasts and a pussy, a fucktoy. Women are still ideally supposed to be "nice girls" and are considered bitches or man haters if they speak up.

And I could go on and on.

The way I see it, you can either care about these issues and want to see things changed, or you can choose not to care. In my mind, if you care, you are probably a feminist. If you don't, then fine, have your opinion, but I sure as hell don't understand you one bit.

Feminism does not mean special rights just as queer people (like me!) are not asking for special rights. Equal rights will do just fine, thank you.

I'm sorry if i come off bitchy, but i think it's sad how many people will say, in horror, "no no, I'M not FEMINIST", because to them feminist still equals crazy man hating types who want MORE rights then men.

thirtyseven

thirtyseven

New York, NY
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 12:02 PM

1. i don't really think about it, but you probably don't like that. so yes. yes i am! wink
2. i usually figure out pretty early whether i'm compatible with someone and only stick with those who i KNOW it will work with (at least for some time), so i'd say dishonesty is the real eventual dealbreaker.
3. oh no, miss morgan, that's why we have you .. sweetass.

NoPantsDave

NoPantsDave

Cincinnati, OH
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 01:39 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing those issues resolved, but at the same time I hate to say it but they are not that important to me since, being a guy, they don't effect me as much.

As for my saying that the historically dominated feilds can't change, I meant that what is done is done. You can suddenly have some feminist writings pop up from the middle ages. I didn't mean to imply that things can't change now and have a better, more equal future, I just meant that the past is unchangeable.....thank god the present can still be changed.

123forever

123forever

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 01:40 PM

Man, who are these idiots at bust.com? Bust has always been pretty pro-sex and pro-porn. How could one be a reader of Bust and go on their website to argue against porn?

joyrider

joyrider

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 02:08 PM

01 - yep, i am. i used to get all uppity about the semantics and say i was an equalist or whatever but ultimately that sort of dilutes what's been done in the name of feminism. i think that a vast majority of the world's problems exist b/c of the delineation between man, woman, and nature. it's all the same, really. our culture's been getting sicker ever since they ran the goddess out and kept only the god.

02 - hmm. gotta have communication, gotta have inspiration, gotta have compatable sexual proclivities.

03 - *shrug* you're doing fine.

crazydasaint

crazydasaint

Washington, DC
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2002 02:47 PM

Having given your proposal serious thought, I'm afraid I must decline. Your fella might hunt me down and hit me (I bruise easy), plus it would interfere with my plans to marry Siren.

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