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JULY 10, 2010 @ 09:28 PM


So I live in AZ, ground zero for SB1070. I have to say I'm a little perturbed by what is amounting to one sided attention the national media is giving to the situation.

I want to start off by saying, I LOVE living in Arizona. I moved here by choice and every time I leave I am happy to come back. This does not mean I agree with all of the politics to come out of this state but overall, it is a great place to live. Part of what there is to love here is the rich Native American and Mexican culture. The architecture, the amazing foods and a certain level of casual, family focused living are all things I attribute to this state's Latino heritage.

Historically, the United States won the northern part of Arizona from Mexico in 1848 after the Mexican/American war. In 1853, the United States bought the rest of AZ from Mexico in the Gadsden Purchase. Arizona became a territory in 1863 and became a US state in 1912.
Here is a news clip about the newest challenge filed to the SB1070 law.


A seventh challenge to block enforcement of Arizona's tough new immigration law has been filed.
The lawsuit was filed Friday in federal court and is the first legal objection to training materials designed to teach Arizona police officers how to enforce the new law, set to go into effect July 29.
The lawsuit's filers, including the League of United Latin American Citizens, say that the training materials are "so vague and ill-defined that they will certainty lead to widespread racial profiling and discrimination."
Among the materials is a video that warns officers not to use race or ethnicity when enforcing the new law, but tells them they're allowed to consider whether a person speaks poor English, looks nervous or is traveling in an overcrowded vehicle.
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/07/10/20100710arizona-immigration-seventh-lawsuit-ON.html#ixzz0tKxaQtxH



This is another example of what I believe is overreaction and more racist than anything the SB1070 is going to do.

Because of the state's Mexican heritage, we have a very rich Latino culture here. We also have a HUGE population of people whose ancestry here, in this state, predates the United States entirely. We have a massive Latino population of US citizens and of Native Americans some of whom are similar in appearance to or related to Mexican and other Latin American peoples. There are SO MANY people who are culturally Hispanic US Citizens, it would be nearly impossible to racially profile anyone with any level of success. The other issue of course is the varied appearance of Latino people. My husband has an intern from Mexico, who is a Mexican citizen here legally on a student visa. The guy has blond hair, blue eyes and pale skin. If he were to over stay his visa, racially profiling him would miss the fact that he would be here illegally. I know a few European people who are here illegally and should go home and get in line with everyone else who has waited in line and jumped through the hoops to find legal ways to be here too. This isn't about heritage, this is about obeying the law.

The moment they begin truly racially profiling people or violating the rights of US citizens with this law is the moment I will be out there with my protest sign and say enough is enough. Until then, since the law is pretty much identical to the federal law we all accept as just and justly enforced, I don't really see the issue. Yes, it will be sad when the neighbors gardener gets busted because I know they are not here legally (I interviewed them and didn't hire them because I don't hire illegal workers) and their vehicle is a moving cop magnet because it is in terrible shape, held together with duct tape and bailing wire. They are a nice family, I don't dislike them as people and they have a little dog who looks identical to one of mine. Their kids sometimes come work with them and the kids are nice enough kids too. However, I'm sure there are nice families in Somalia, other countries in Africa, parts of Asia, the Middle East and the former Soviet Union who have life WAY worse than the Hernandez family had it in Mexico. It is tragic for people in other countries too, why do the Hernandez's deserve to cut in line?

What I find rather disturbing about the protests and many news stories is how racist they seem to be. The bolded quote up there for example. When a Latino rights group claims that wording racially profiles them, isn't that assuming a stereotype about all Latino's? Because honestly, I know a LOT of Latino's and most of the ones I know speak English well, are not nervous or shifty and per the law do not overcrowd their vehicles. At the work corners, in front of the Home Depot the people who do not have proper documentation to get a regular day labor or other work, they would fit that description. And really, all you have to do is present your drives license or border crosser card or visa or passport and you have proved you are here legally and you go on your way. I have been stopped and detained a few times by the Border Patrol (federal). They have random checkpoints and I go to Mexico sometimes. I have brown eyes and being a first generation US citizen born to legal immigrant parents, I have a slight accent. This has gotten me stopped and questioned on quite a few occasions. It is annoying, but I get it, and as soon as they verify that I am not an identity thief and my ID is legit, they send me on my way. It isn't really anything. No more annoying than any other traffic stop and less bad overall because I don't get ticketed or anything.

I don't know, the whole thing is just getting really stupid. Not so much here, but the weirdly slanted national attention is just off base. I think if people lived here they would understand HOW huge our citizen Latino population is and understand how impractical racial profiling really would be in this case. I keep wanting to shout WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!! Get in line with everyone else, like my family from Germany and China did. If we had the space and resources to save the world then I'm sure we would, but we don't so since there is a limit and rules in place which filter people, everyone needs to follow those rules and go through the same filtering as everyone else has to. It isn't fair to the people who follow the law when other people break it and then get rewarded for it.

And it isn't just Mexican's and people from other Latin American Nations who come here illegally, it's lots of people. Again, I feel making this a Mexican/Latino thing is perpetuating a stereotype more than anything else.

I think overall whenever a group identifies by race and someone of that race speaks for their race it kind of is annoying. It creates that us/them mentality among people. It is so easy when a "Latino leader" says "Latino's feel bla bla bla..." to then respond with "I disagree with Latino's" when really it isn't Latino's, it is that one person and however many people actually share that person's mindset. Aside from some heritage, what does that leader really have in common with another Latino person? Probably about as much as I have in common with "White leaders" like David Duke, and that fucker doesn't speak for me, I can speak for myself. I feel these leaders are often more divisive than helpful. This is not to say I disagree with the civil rights movement, or with people's rights to protest or ask for rights, as US citizens, we do have that right as part of the first amendment. I disagree with the labeling of each group as a whole united front based on race or gender. It strips the individual of their own opinion and person. It seems counterproductive at this point when we have made such great strides at integrating people.

I have written on this before, so before flaming me, if you stumbled onto my blog, read back a few entries to get the rest of the story before you hate on me.

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jayenh

jayenh

Fairbanks, AK
March 2004

JUL 10, 2010 09:55 PM

I loved living in Arizona. Was there about 10 years. The people out here in San Francisco who are all batshit crazy about SB1070 and want to boycott the insensitive bigots in Arizona are missing the point that Arizonans aren't, by and large, insensitive bigots. They're just people who live in Arizona, which has a BIG PROBLEM that the Federal Government isn't doing shit to help with, and that for sure no one in San Francisco or Los Angeles is doing shit to help with.

I'm still more Arizonan than Californian. When was the last time California said to the Federal government, "Fuck you, we're going to solve our own problem" and then actually did. Probably, it was around the time of "California emissions" regulations in the 1970s.

aldremech

aldremech

Tucson, AZ
July 2006

JUL 10, 2010 10:01 PM

It is seriously retartded how one sided this is becoming. When I went to Oregon and Minnesota last month, as soon as people found out I was from AZ, that is all I was subjected to. As soon as most people found out how bad it was here (especially in the Tucson corridor) and understood how the law was written, they seemed appreciative of getting a different opinion. The news media in both of these states was clearly biased and seemingly never offered any counterpoint or the willingness to show both sides of an issue that has become so devisive. I encourage everyone to read the bill as it was passed and compare it to current existing federal law. At a whopping 17 pages at the time of inception, and 24 after re-clarifying the fact that race is and will not be an issue in this matter, I am seriously disheartened at our legislators for never having read it, and simply jumping on the hatewagon.

Tactical

Tactical

I'm lost
August 2009

JUL 10, 2010 10:04 PM

I think its hilarious that according to 'USA Today' polls indicate 50% of the population don't agree with the Federal government bringing a lawsuit to block the law and 35% do. Its not a race thing its an illegal immigration thing.

1sailor

1sailor

Olympia, WA
July 2009

JUL 10, 2010 10:09 PM

You make valid points.
Personally, I wonder about our federal government acting like they want to protect illegal aliens from the state. Do you think they may be worried about losing votes.

MutantBaby1

MutantBaby1

USA
March 2009

JUL 10, 2010 11:15 PM

Yeah, I lived in Phoenix for 2 years and the local government there is retarded. Sure they have an illegal immigration problem there, but so does Texas, California, and New Mexico. AZ has politicians like McCain, that Pierce dude and even Sheriff Joe Arpaio chiming in. I think they should worry less about illegals and more about the people who already live there and don't have jobs.

Jezel

Jezel

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

JUL 11, 2010 01:01 AM

This whole thing has become such a mess. 99% of the arguments against this bill have actually nothing at all to do with the law at all. My favorite is that deporting illegals is a violation of their rights. Uhm, they're here illegally. What rights? The boycotts are affecting the incomes of many people I know personally. The irony is that some of these businesses cater to or are employed by the local latino community. Also, the canceling of tours by musicians is frustrating. If you have something to say, why not come here and use the platform you have to spread your message rather than taking an easy out and bailing?

The protesting is comical. "Let's shut down the Capital!!" Okay. It's a Saturday. The weekend of a government holiday at that. Good job. Now get the fuck out of my driveway so I can get my weekend sleep on. lol

The mass idiocy that has surfaced due to this issue is really frightening to me frankly. One side of my family are Mexicans who immigrated here legally. I immigrate back and forth from this country to another, legally. I just don't see why it's such a hard concept for people to understand. Truly frustrating.

Orphne

Orphne

United Kingdom
July 2010

JUL 11, 2010 04:49 AM

I've lived in Arizona my entire life (Phoenix, Prescott and Tucson!) until I recently moved to the UK and while I'm personally against the law (though i'm not "for" illegal immigration, I just feel this particular law is not the right way to police this issue) I actually found your perspective to be one of the best I've read online regarding the situation and it really did make me think, so cheers.

VulcanSG

VulcanSG

Phoenix, AZ
June 2010

JUL 11, 2010 10:36 AM

I live here too... and to me, its so simple...if you want to live here, go through the process.. if you dont, you are subject to the laws...who cares if AZ helps enforce those laws... I love to drive faster that 55 on the I-51, but I dont seem to have the right to break that law, but these other people seem to have the right to break the immigration law. its so messed up.

wyldewolfe

wyldewolfe

Montgomery, AL
August 2007

JUL 11, 2010 12:50 PM

+1
preach on

ericwine

ericwine

Charlotte Hall, MD
January 2007

JUL 11, 2010 01:52 PM

I'm glad someone around here is speaking plain old common sense on the issue. Some people's reactions prove that common sense isn't that common. Thank you. smile

EdwardDust

EdwardDust

Albuquerque, NM
December 2009

JUL 11, 2010 02:39 PM

I live in New Mexico, where we have the same issues as AZ. Most people I know object to this law, for many reasons. None that I have heard being that they for illegal immigrants. Did you know that if I drive through az and get pulled over that they will not accept my nm license as valid proof that I am a citizen of the us? I have to have a passport on me too. Just to drive through the state of az, just in case I get pulled over.
Now I get that there is an issue with illegal immigrants, and that there is a proper way to get into this country. A country that was made of oppressed immigrants who needed a new start. I don't see how allowing police to try to target out illegal immigrants by if their english is correct or if their car is overcrowded isn't racial profiling in the most stereotypical way. I know many many perfectly legal immigrants who don't speak english very well at all. How is this new law going to affect those people? Now don't get me wrong, I do think something should be done about this. But this isn't how people should be treated in any state, country... what not.

Midnyte

Midnyte

SUICIDEGIRL

Arizona, USA

JUL 11, 2010 04:19 PM

^^^^ OMG!!! Where are you GETTING your news!!! All you need is a valid US ID OR a Passport IF you are not a citizen. You need EXACTLY the same documents you need anyplace else. The ONLY difference is in AZ the state and city police can arrest you for being here illegally as opposed to only the federal police in other places. If you run around New Mexico with your state ID and have ever been stopped at a Border Patrol checkpoint, (which is federal enforcement of the law) then you already know the extent of this, that is what you have to do in Arizona for the state police now as well as the federal police. As someone well versed with being stopped by Border Patrol, I really don't see it as a big deal.

The language guidelines are the same as the Federal Border Patrol uses when they stop you at the Border Patrol checkpoints. You drive through, they look at you and ask you "Where are you coming from?" You tell them and they either wave you through or if you are me, they ask for ID. I present it and they send me on my way. Or once, they held me for about 15 minutes. For some reason my name came up and they had to hold me for a second. This was not AT the border, this was at a checkpoint about 40 miles north of the border. They were polite and respectful to me. There were a bunch of Mexican citizens here illegally also being held. They were not treated with any less respect than I was treated with. I was a little miffed about being detained, but they told me to hang out for a bit, I did and they sent me on my way and wished me a good day.

I really don't understand what people are THINKING!! The national reporting of this is insane!! Total misinformation!! If you are speeding and you get pulled over and you cannot provide a valid ID (of any form) the local police CAN arrest you for being here illegally. There is still due process. It isn't like a citizen will suddenly find themselves in Guatemala because they left their house without their wallet.

rcbowers

rcbowers

I'm lost
February 2007

JUL 11, 2010 06:06 PM

I agree entirely with you. I used to live in AZ, now live in Michigan. We need the same law here. The Fed's are totally incompetent. It is so great that you're speaking out against the opposition of the AZ bill.smile

Aerion

Aerion

SUICIDEGIRL

Arizona, USA

JUL 11, 2010 06:40 PM

I also have lived in AZ my whole life. I grew up in south west phoenix and have seen what used to be an occasional occurrence become a major issue.

The thing that really irritates me is that as the years have passed people/govt. have become obsessed about political correctness, the presence of any type of prejudice, offending people, etc. to the point that now we can not even protect our country and its citizens by enforcing our LAWS because it might offend someone.

What happened to fairness and equality??? First of all I AM a citizen and I deserve rights, however that does not give me the authority to break the law. That in itself is unfair and unequal. Also, how do the taxpaying people who spent their time and hard earned money becoming legal US citizens feel? What kind of message are we sending them? Certainly not a message of fairness or equality.

And why are other states butting into our business?? When these states decide they want to pay for the resources it takes for our state to house people who are not contributing taxes to support local law enforcement, education, medical, etc then they can open their mouths about what we do. When they pass laws we dont go butting in or forcing our opinions on them, nor do we try our damnedest to harm their economy by boycotting their city. Use some common sense! TWO things: One, your fighting against prejudice but isnt it prejudice of you to assume all Arizonans agree w/ the bill and thusly deserve to be punished? Two, the only people you are hurting by boycotting the state are the hardworking people you are "fighting" for.

AughtNaught

AughtNaught

Phoenix, AZ
January 2005

JUL 11, 2010 06:44 PM

It all comes down to votes. No one acknowledges that 1077 basically mirrors existing federal laws, that are haphazardly enforced. Pundits and detractors can say what they will, media bias not withstanding, and in the long run everyone loses when they try to make a race issue out of it. The law is the law, if you don't like it, vote accordingly.

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