SuicideGirl: Elara
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Elara likes european movie moments.

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OCTOBER 16, 2002 @ 11:32 PM


a very wise suicide girl said something to me very recently regarding the possibility of more graphic sets, and you can imagine what, being introduced as material onto the site. She said that she wouldn't like to see the introduction of male energy into the pictures. us girls need to be extremely careful of the way we represent ourselves, not as little sex slaves armed to the teeth with dildos and catholic school girl skirts waiting to be bent over at any moment. fuckin' a. this is why i am so god damn conflicted about this whole scene. i really want to feel like there is a such thing as female friendly pornography.
there is a very fine, very translucent line barring this site from the rest of the trash out there, and if it transcends the trials ahead of it, then wow, i'm really glad to have been a part of it. But if it doesn't, well then you can see my inclination to bail the fuck out.
i'm extremely flattered by all the attention i have received from you all, and i'm am humbled to be among the ranks of so many great ladies. it's really vain what i'm doing here, these pictures, this journal, but i feel like if all these people are reading then there are some things i've got to get out of my system. so yes i'm a lousy quitter. I like this web site, i like this community, and i love the people who are involved with this, but sometimes i fucking hate what it represents.
spooky says i have too much dignity. i think he's right.

turn on the news, the whole fucking world is going to shit. maybe we should stop staring at naked girls on our computer screens.

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Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

OCT 16, 2002 11:38 PM

Thank you so much Elara for saying all of that. I am conflicted about what I think about this. I think the thing about male energy is really important to remember. It doesn't just apply to actual MEN in the pictures. It means that this site can never become a place where we're just girls pandering to the male costumer, bending over for him, doing what would please HIM. I joined SG thinking this would be a place where I could do sets that pleased ME, and not ever feel pressured to do any more or less.

I think there's a way to make it through adding some more hardcore content without compromising the ideals of the site. I don't know quite how, but I know it involves not letting anyone demand things of the SGs, of regulating, i guess, what "kind" of people get to have a heavy voice on the site. I was so scared that someone was going to say in response to Sasha's set, "the rest of you girls should do like she did, it will make you more 'hot'". It hasn't happened yet, but i know there are members thinking it. I think as long as people who are thinking things like that don't get to make the decisions or pressure people, we might stay on the good side of that fine line.

I hope so, because I do love SG, and I don't want it to fall apart.

hardluck5413

hardluck5413

Rio Linda, CA
July 2002

OCT 16, 2002 11:50 PM

Elara, I agree with you 110% I'm not down with the XXX. The reason I like SG is because the pictures remind me of the "pin ups" of today. That is the way I want to look at it. They have class and style. That's why I chose this site. If I wanted hardcore porn I would go to some trashy site. Don't worry, I got your back.

7O2

7O2

Las Vegas, NV
October 2002

OCT 17, 2002 12:06 AM

the male speaks:

you are drop dead beautiful
i love to look at pictures of you
and yes the naked angle make's it even more enjoyable
i read your Journals also
always interesting and fun to read

that's it
no cosmic preversion
no greater wrong
no greater truth
this isnt starving children in africa
it's not crack babies in dumpsters

that's whats wrong in the world

this is for fun
if you dont like it, which it sounds you don't

simple

go

if you have doubts about something
forget it
do something else
buy a mac
drive a old car
pack up and walk europe

life is too short
and we are all one bad taco from it all being over
before we "planned"

have fun in whatever you do
i will miss you, your pics, and your journal
if you go
don't go Salinger style though wink
you could still hang about the forums

CapNZen

WHITENOISE

WHITENOISE

Portland, OR
July 2002

OCT 17, 2002 12:12 AM

you do have a lot of dignity. and it is just that which prompted me to join this site in the first place.

Dia

Dia

SUICIDEGIRL

Monaco

OCT 17, 2002 12:17 AM

When I was younger, I would've said the same as you, I was shooting photos from the age of 18, very heavily, and I wouldn't have even remotely entertained the notion of doing work as risque as I would now, but you know, as you get older, you DO get jaded, on certain levels, dignity or otherwise.

But what you realize, I think, is that you are either cut out to shoot porn, or you aren't, on some level. I adore you, and what you have to say, always have, I adore that you question things, and say fuck it sometimes, on some weird level it makes sense to me... but I think you need to be really true to yourself. I mean, you ARE really true to yourself, so that's great. I just hope you've not done anything that you regret. You have to realize that some people are pleasers though and that there is nothing wrong with that. Sexuality is inherently a give and a take. You give, you receive. What about a woman who enjoys being girlie, who enjoys wearing a little Catholic School Girl skirt and banging herself? Who enjoys giving that to someone, to others?

I don't think it conflicts with female friendly porn. What I think conflicts with female friendly porn is when men, or women, or anyone at all, tells the female (christ, the male, whatever, the person shooting the pictures) what to do, and you KNOW that is not how it goes with SG. I've shot all sorts of things that could be construed a number of ways, as I explore what I am and what I like, and also as I challenge people, hopefully, with what they like. I've done everything from little girl to dirty whore to I'm going to kill you you fuck to dirty old man (they aren't all up yet, obviously), and I find these type of roles very interesting. Perhaps sometimes I'm a bit more of an actress then a model? It would make sense... while I get misconstrued, I WAS trained as an actress for so many years and years, my entire childhood into adolescence, when I just became a dirty fuckup haha.

It's not vain, what you are doing, if you do it for both yourself, and the pleasure of others, you know? I'm from a Hindu background, and part of the Hindu faith that is integral is service to others and the placing of your own ego out of the way, sometimes playfully so, for the aid of anothers ego. This is pretty advanced, ingrained stuff, so it's not like exactly easy to explain. It's not vain if you do it without attachment to it.

It's sooo hard to synopsize what I am trying to say, and why I am trying to say it, but I think staring at naked girls on a computer screen is inevitable, look at the Greeks, I mean, porn has existed since ass sex was put on pottery!

I've always felt that I shoot nudes because I am the perfect person to... not because I think I am attractive (frankly I have never thought I was anything short of flat out funny looking...), but because I can play any role, because I can put on any outfit, because I truly delight in the audience delighting in me, and nothing about it shames me or bothers me in any way. To me that is very empowered feeling, that nothing anyone can do or say can hurt me. It's something that comes with age, I think. I think when you can lay yourself on the slab with the entire world looking at your naked body, at yourself in a position of being spread-eagled, and yet not whored, I think that's psychologically a powerful position, because seriously, WHO IS IN CONTROL?

And things will always be in the eye of the beholder. One can look at this site, or any site, or any thing, in any regard, but ultimately none of it's real... it's whatever you put on it. I already know no one can take away my dignity THEREFORE I can put on a little skirt and flash my clit and say whack it asshole, whack away, you know? It doesn't matter. And on some level I love them for it. And myself, for not caring, for giving any fleeting moment of pleasure I can to another, it makes me feel less selfish. I don't believe in being selfish.

And I don't believe in doing anything one is not comfortable with. Some people don't need to shoot nudes, psychologically. Their soul doesn't care and their ego isn't on that path, it's not in their Dharma at all... it's just individual. Perhaps you are one of those people? I want you so badly to do what is best for you... that's why I'm sort of rambling on and on. Somehow I always worry about you, that you would do things you wouldn't want to when you are clearly a strong and brilliant woman, frankly your intelligence is impossible to disguise to the outside onlooker. So if this is not a challenge, or if it does not feel right, you should really consider that. But don't lay judgement on those who do otherwise, as any artists motives are difficult for the viewer to discern, and thus we get into the discussion of what is even art, and what is not, and you come to artistic intent, always, and you have to have humility there and realize that even with porn, even with dirty smutty horrible fuck me I'm a whore porn, that you don't always understand intent. Although, yeah, 95% of the time that's so obvious, with those chicks. But with this site, feh, I mean, dontcha think we are all here for such varied reasons?

In my case, it's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.

Peace, Elara, you seem like such a great person. Do what makes you happy! Shit! You don't need otherwise! I wish I could say this in person, my inflection and enthusiasm and smiles and gesticulations are lost entirely in this post, but trust me, are there.

MirkwoodMaiden

MirkwoodMaiden

Richmond, VA
October 2002

OCT 17, 2002 12:23 AM

my friend invader (thats not his name on here) told me about this site and described it as a site with awesome nude chicks but not all the phonry, pasty, facke shit on XXX sites. i imediately came to check it out and he was right. i like the content here and agree with elera on being extreamly careful to guard it from becoming trashy like those other "hardcore" sites out there. this site is more then just extreamly hot women poseing nude. its the energy, the realness, and the simple makeup of the site that makes it so special and sets it above all others. i hope like hell it stays that way.

DigDug

digdug

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

OCT 17, 2002 12:34 AM

lousy quitter!!!

pikle

pikle

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

OCT 17, 2002 01:15 AM

Just in response to your last two sentences...yes the world is going to shit. But look around this site and revel in the community that hs grown around it. This is almost the polar opposite of what is happening on the streets on virtually a daily basis. And while we all must say that we originally came here to see naked girls on our computer, myself and others have stayed for the conversation (so to speak). I rarely ever look at the sets anymore save to get some more practice with my sketches, and I have heard other members state the same thing sans artwork. I've genuinely enjoyed the conversations I've had with members as well as SG's in the chatroom and I enjoy reading and posting on the boards. Both of these things plus the journals lend a neighborhoodlike aspect to the site. A neighborhood I can be proud of, where I can earnestly inquire about my neighbor's health instead of sharing a front door with someone about whom I know nothing about save their first name and could care less.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the naked girls on our computer and the respect with which they are so obviously treated that will bring at least some of us in this world up out of the shit.

tic_tac_toe

tic_tac_toe

San Diego, CA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 17, 2002 01:23 AM

The line is so fine between control here. At its deepest level, I think that this site still panders to male wants and needs, after all, it is all women displaying themselves sexually, and in the context of a patriarchy, men are still the dominant target audience. But what makes this place so amazing is the fact that the women still retain so much control. And that makes them even sexier. So...as long as the women here have a say in what they do & feel comfortable with it, no matter WHAT is in the photos, I think that power will come through and the uniqueness of SG will not be dialuted.

sirkutbr8ker

sirkutbr8ker

I'm lost
September 2002

OCT 17, 2002 01:53 AM

Theres a fine line between exploitation and art.......i think everyone repects your actions........it takes a bigger person to step out of the light.

MirkwoodMaiden

MirkwoodMaiden

Richmond, VA
October 2002

OCT 17, 2002 03:23 AM

i had to come back to say something else. this senerio is reminding md of what happened to my ez board message board a few months ago. there was a conflict of interists among certain members and the board nealy collapsed. but the thing that made it survive is the sence that we were all a family of sorts. i get that same vibe from this site. one of the main reasons i love it here. im not afraid for SG's future cause i feel that we all will in our own ways prevent it from heading down the wrong path. i adore all the girls here and love spending time at the boards just as much. just a thought i wanted to post.

rawr_ima_monster

rawr_ima_monster

Los Angeles, CA
July 2002

OCT 17, 2002 07:34 AM

I guess that depending on what was added and how far it went, I'd be really tempted to leave too. I abolutely LOVE this site and the people, but I'm startign to feel really lousy about being who I am and existing in the same place as all the adult material even as "non-hardcore" as it is now. I guess I feel that if anyoen needs to see more graphic adult material, they can go plenty of other places to see it, even within the vein of the types of girls on SG. (I hear Raverporn is pretty hardcore).
If the peopel who run this site feel that it's col to go to that level of adult content that it's hard to not call it pornography, then Idon't know if I can support the site. I feel that pornography in general is horribly offensive and degratory to the average woman, and I'd really like to be part of teh soultion, which specifically involves NOT being part of the probllem, if nothign else, so if the site starts feelign like a place where women are posing for money and to get guys off, instead of the sort of not-quite-that but unexplicable positive adult attention it generates now, I wouldn't feel ok justifying my involvement unless I jsut said "yeah, I like porn."
-which I don't. I like to see confident, intelligent, interesting women not be afraid to be open and sexual, without being sexual objects. I'd actualyl prefer to see even less nudity on the site, now tha I respect everyone so much. I'd like to see more non-nude sets, not more sexy dirty hardcore pentration sets, REGARDLESS of "male presence" or not, which I definitely think is out of place here. I think a lot of us struggle with this, I've been open to talkign abou it since day one. I'm glad you did too.
Dave

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

OCT 17, 2002 08:34 AM

What really bothers me about the debate that's going on on SG is a lot of those who say that it won't matter if the site goes hardcore are missing something VERY important: there are SGs, lots of them, who really really don't want to site to go in that direction. There are SGs who don't even want to BE here, if that happens.

Doesn't that make ANY difference to people?

I also don't think this site is pandering to men, right now. For one thing, aren't there more female members than male? For another thing, the girls here are doing as they please, because they want to, not to make some "audience" happy. I respect what Dia was saying, but I disagree, I am different. The "audience" is not what i'm here for. Every friggin' person on this site could say "hey morgan, do a set with a dildo", and i'd tell them to fuck off, unless I some day decided i WANTED to do a set like that.

This is not a place where women are starting off porn careers. We're not learning how to be good little porn stars. We're trying to enjoy ourselves. I think the second lots and lots of people start making demands for hardcore and we give in?...then we become hardcore, THEN we are pandering, and THEN...i leave.

I mean, think about it, there are sites around that started out like this and gradually became hardcore. You can look at some of the girls on those sites and they look so bored. This isn't what they wanted to do. But in order to stick around, they HAD to. God, i hope that never happens here.

Elara

Elara

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

OCT 17, 2002 10:58 AM

you know what, i'm being misunderstood.
read the AWAKENING by KATE CHOPIN

i'm a little sick of patriarchal norms you know? i mean, there's a serial killer running rampant around the country right now because of that shit. not to mention the war on iraq, the war on terrorism and the war on drugs. blah. whatever. who cares.

NoPantsDave

NoPantsDave

Cincinnati, OH
OLD SKOOL

OCT 17, 2002 11:12 AM

It's shit like this that makes me miss you being on here. I have always respected your attidtude and willingness to questions things and the fact that you speak your mind no matter how people may end up reacting to it. You're right, maybe we should stop looking at porn and go out and try to stop the world from becoming more of a shithole than it already is.

And you aren't a lousy quitter.....you quit quite well.....I just wish you would unquit, but I know that won't happen until you want and wish it to.....gotta respect that.

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