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MAY 16, 2008 10:32 PM
g_whiz said:
Kindle said:
g_whiz said:
Say you have 5 kindergarten teachers in your school for half day kindergarten. If you make it full day kindergarten, you have to then have ten teachers to handle the same amount of children. Ten teachers = $400-900, 000. Part of the no child left behind crap was making all kindergarten full day, but of course it is entirely dependent on funding.
Yeah but ALL of those kids will move up to first grade. If there are 5 first grade teachers what's the difference? You're still going to have to group toe morning and afternoon students together for their full days of 1st grade.
The difference is the five extra teachers you need for the kindergartners. The first grade teachers were already there, but the kindergarten teachers are not. No matter how you look at it it's still five extra people you have to hire and another five classrooms you have to find.
If you need five teachers for half day kindergarten, that's ten classes they teach in a day. If you make it full day, you still have to teach those other five classes worth of kids.
I think we're not getting each other but I don't know where we're losing it *runs off to draw a diagram of her thinking* I'll be right back!
Haha, here we go, sorry, this is kind of crude but here it is
MAY 16, 2008 10:49 PM
Kindle said:
Haha, here we go, sorry, this is kind of crude but here it is
Look at it this way. if you take the 10 in the morning and push them all day. in order to keep 10 in a class, you need twice the teachers.
MAY 16, 2008 11:07 PM
RudieCantFail said:
g_whiz said:
Ok for the sake of easy math, say you have ten classes of ten kids in kindergarten. That's 100 kids. If they only go to school for half the day, you only need five teachers, because the teachers will each have two classes a day (2 classes x10 kids each = 20 kids per teacher x 5 teachers = 100 kids).
Yes when those kids move up to first grade, they will require more teachers anyway, but those teachers are already in place and being paid because first grade is already all day. Then the next group of 100 kindergartners will come to replace the current group.
I'm probably not explaining this well because I'm tired, but my mom is a teacher, so I can tell you she's bitched to me about this a kermillion times.
I think here's where the confusion is coming in... Kindle is thinking, "Why is having enough teachers for full time kindergarten viewed as needing more teachers?" The way she sees the problem, kindergarten has been operating with half staff.
The confusion, I think, is that it is not a question of switching back to full time KG. I'm guessing that KG was first introduced to the US following WWII, when while stewarding Germany, US officials saw the benefit of earlier education. KG started as a half-time concept in the US, and in most areas, has always been so. Unlike 1-12, which have in the modern era, always been full time.
This is why adding full time KG teachers would be seen as adding more staff, requiring more money, because we've gone from 0 to 1/2 to 1.
Does that make any sense? (I'm pretty drunk).
Yep, kinda like that 
I guess I just never knew that I was a minority having gone to Kindergarden on a full-time schedule with the other kids in upper grades. To me, the kids going to half day kindergarden, is a crock. I don't plan on having kids but if I did, I'd send them to a private school for them to go for the full day.
MAY 16, 2008 11:11 PM
RudieCantFail said:
Man this thread went off on a tangent. 
Yeah, sorry about that. It's a talent though 
MAY 16, 2008 11:14 PM
Kindle said:
g_whiz said:
Kindle said:
theDrunkMonk said:
Kindle said:
Running around naked in the summer when I was 2 years old in North Carolina.
Funny.
My earliest memory is running around 2 years old and half-naked, playing superfriends, in North Carolina.
Batman.
But. . . were you in Ft. Bragg?
HaHA I've been there. I spent a week there a few years ago when I worked for the gov't.
It's not that bad of an area. When I lived there after graduating HS I used to get a kick out of all the nudie bars on Bragg Blvd in Fayetteville. BB was full of prostitutes as well.
yeah it was really random. It was nice ...nice...nice then three miles of strip clubs porn shops and pawn shops.
MAY 16, 2008 11:26 PM
g_whiz said:
Kindle said:
g_whiz said:
Kindle said:
theDrunkMonk said:
Kindle said:
Running around naked in the summer when I was 2 years old in North Carolina.
Funny.
My earliest memory is running around 2 years old and half-naked, playing superfriends, in North Carolina.
Batman.
But. . . were you in Ft. Bragg?
HaHA I've been there. I spent a week there a few years ago when I worked for the gov't.
It's not that bad of an area. When I lived there after graduating HS I used to get a kick out of all the nudie bars on Bragg Blvd in Fayetteville. BB was full of prostitutes as well.
yeah it was really random. It was nice ...nice...nice then three miles of strip clubs porn shops and pawn shops.
Yep, that's how it looks. Can't forget the random biker bar, pool hall, and fast food joint thrown in there.
MAY 16, 2008 11:31 PM
Kindle said:
g_whiz said:
yeah it was really random. It was nice ...nice...nice then three miles of strip clubs porn shops and pawn shops.
Yep, that's how it looks. Can't forget the random biker bar, pool hall, and fast food joint thrown in there.
This is my other picture from that road:
Taken because it was half a house.
MAY 16, 2008 11:31 PM
g_whiz said:
oh it was!
The weird thing was that while we were in there, there was a girl there, who I think was a stripper, that was actually from my home town. Which only has about 1000 people. And is in Maryland.
Buwahahaha.
theDrunkMonk
Charlotte, NC
January 2003
MAY 16, 2008 10:28 PM