Lolicon Should be.....

There have been alot Controversy around lolicon as of late. I think it should be illegal, as it is disgusting. If you don't know what lolicon is here is description.

Lolicon, or Rorikon (ロリコン ) is a Japanese abbreviation of Lolita complex, which means pedophilia in Japan. Strictly speaking, Lolita complex in Japanese refers only to the condition, but the abbreviation lolicon can refer to pedophiles. Lolicon is often also used to refer to an attraction to any girl beneath the age of consent; in such a context, it might be more analogous to ephebophilia.

Lolicon artwork refers to sexual artwork, such as manga, portraying children or childlike characters. Most of such images are produced in Japan. They are usually of females between the apparent ages of 8 and 13, though sometimes much younger. Lolicon illustrations are generally legal in Japan, although pornography, including illustrations, that use actual children were outlawed in 2000. Sexual manga featuring children or childlike characters is called lolita manga, or loli-manga.

Lolicon is a frequent subject of scholarly articles in Japan, where it is a widespread phenomenon. Many general bookstores and newsstands openly offer illustrated lolicon material.

While technically not lolicon material, an ubiquitous theme in Japanese pornography is that of females of legal age dressed in school uniforms. Also popular is the practice of enjo kosai, a form of dating service in which adult men are paired with high-school-age girls.

As i know of, i think it is still legal in japan. But i think it should ruled as illegal through out the world.

What is your opinion? Should it be legal or Illegal?

[Edited on Mar 21, 2006 by cidrock]

I'm of the opinion I thought this thread was going to be about a laughing-out-loud icon. I was hoping for a little chibi-roflcopter myself.

Also Lolicon should be legal. Its creepy and gross but theres this little thing I like to call freedom...

It makes me feel uncomfortable, but... a good deal of Hentai does (tentacle rape especially). I understand why some people think it should be illegal, but since they're drawings, not real pictures, I have to side on it remaining legal. As desidia said, it's a freedom of speech issue, even if said material makes my skin crawl.

Well they say it should be legal as it relieve's sexual tension of actual paedophiles.
But how do they know this is ture? what is to say it won't encourages paedophiles to act apon sexual abuse?

It still seems wrong to me.

[Edited on Mar 21, 2006 by cidrock]

Seeming wrong and illegal are two different things. You can't legislate what something might do you have to legislate what it does.

Ture, but what do you think? should it be legal or illegal?

I've long believed that pornography will not cause people to act upon their fantasies. If somebody is warped enough to find a child sexually arousing, I believe they'll act that out with or without porn.

And, for the record, it seems VERY wrong to me, as well. I'm just not 100% certain it should be made illegal. At least not with the facts I have as of now.

I don't think you can outlaw anything that doesn't actually hurt some one.

Word. Victimless crime isn't crime at all. Laws are there to protect people, and if no-one is being harmed by it, then it shouldn't be illegal at all. Laws are there to protect people, not to uphold some abstract ideal of morality. Gay sex seems 'just wrong' to al lot of people, but no-one is banning that.

I believe that if you have any sort of "complex" or fetish that people find generally disagreeable, it's much better to fake it and get it out of your system than it is to have a whole country tell you your sick and fucked up and feel the pressure of everyone telling you to suppress it all the time until you explode and actually harm someone. Who is harmed by some Japanese dude jerking off to lolita-porn? No one. Leave it alone and leave it legal.

Images don't make you do things. Neither do songs or movies or anything else. Censoring things because they're icky is despicable. Taking away the availability of images you don't like doesn't mean the people who like them don't still think about it. I would be pretty sure that someone who likes the idea of a "Lolita" had that thought a long time before they some some stupid hentai about it.

Though it was banned for quite a while. And if we start banning things just because we think they're gross, we could easily go down that road again.

As a hentai anime fan I can say that I think lolicon should be legal. It is only drawing and not exploitation of real children. As far as inspiring people to molest/exploit children, you can say similar things about any recreation: alcohol intoxicates people and they drive recklessly and can kill others, too much medication can kill you. It comes down to knowing your own limitations. I love lolicon, I can view a lot of it and not even imagine myself abusing young children.

+1.

No real children are molested. If our society condemns every form of creative work you consider disgusting, it has to condemn every form of creative work I consider disgusting. I find commerce reprehensibly immoral; it can lead to heart attacks, societal negligence and extreme poverty.

Lolicon bores me. I'm all expecting gorgeous hentai with women made entirely of phallic tentacles and breasts, and I get kids? It's a let-down.

Tentacle Rape, on the other hand, causes a great many interesting faces.

That isn't a very good reason, as shown by the gay sex comparisions.

Nothing. Just like there's nothing to say that old Olsen Twins videos won't encourage pedophiles to act upon sexual abuse. I'm not aware of anything that says they will though.

I do think there are cases where it's necessary for free speech to be restricted because of its harmful effects, but the burden should be on the people proposing the law to show that the effects are real and severe enough to justify the restriction. For example there's a good reason why it's illegal to shout "fire" in a theater or other crowded space since it could cause a dangerous panic. On the other hand it isn't illegal to shout "aardvark" since it won't produce the same result (although the ushers may ask you to leave).

Unless there's any actual child pornography or actual child rape I can't see any good reason why it should be illegal. Just because you think it's disgusting is far from legal grounds.

As long as everyone is legal and consenting I don't give a fuck what they're doing or who they're doing it to.

i dunno

why don't we ask some japanese peaple?

that might be a good idea

After reading everyones thoughts on the subject, i found myself agreeing with you all. I guess i was alittle too blunt when i said "I think it should be illegal, as it is disgusting".

I am big anime and hentai fan myself, i think my opinion was clouded. But i now i understand and agree with you all. If it's not hurting anyone in the process it should be legal. Because if it was ruled as illegal, then we would have to start turning things like movies, games, music illegal.

I'm erotic artist, so to my knowledge, I guess it would be just class in the erotic art category.

I once read an article that was all for making legally available computer animated child porn so that real children would not need to be used for child porn. I thought it sounded reasonable but couldn't find a single person that agreed with me. They all thought that by doing that it would send the message that child porn/abuse is okay. What do others think?

If it meant less children were used in child porn then it could only be a good thing. If it meant that more people viewed it (because it was legal) and then became interested in children then it would obviously be a bad thing.

Tough one...

Hentai is soooo hot by the way, I haven't seen lolicon and can't see it being a turn on for me.

"chibi-roflcopter"

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't know. I mean, if pedophiles were that interested in finding non-harmful alternatives to actual child porn, they'd be looking at lolicon or other forms of "close to child porn" which won't land them in prison and don't traumatize kids. It's possible that the only reason they'd go for computer generated child porn is if it was so realistic that they wouldn't know it was fake.

And child porn and child abuse would still be illegal, and it's not like other recreations of illegal acts send the message that they're okay.

I would of disagreed with you before, but after reading this thread i totaly agree with you now.

Plus hentai is hot!!! I'm a hentai expert, that's how i knew of lolicon. But i haven't seen much myself, nor want to.