Calls for review of German incest law.

But you're German, dude. It's what you guys do.

Technically yes... but the loophole in the law states that all persons are not considered adults (ie, legally representing themselves in day to day matters) until they are 18.

Basically, you screw someone of that age... parents find out... they can legally have you charged with statatory rape, right now I can't find a good legal case proof of that one actually happenning, did read about it once in the calgary sun.


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Canada Legal Explaination (hence the wiki entry)

More bits and pieces.

I think it's icky and probably shouldn't be done, but if it makes them happy and they're not hurting anyone, why go after them? Having said that, they shouldn't be having kids together.

[Edited on Nov 20, 2005 by Max16Characters]

From what I understand (which is very little), the danger from reproduction in the context of siblings really comes out of repetition and that as more generations inbreed, the chance of problems goes up exponentially. I think people should be educated about it, I don't think incest, or really any sex, between consenting adults should be illegal. Also I doubt that by making it legal, there would be a huge increase in the number of incestual relationships, especially with the stigma that goes along with it.

I'm no expert though.

It should be said that everybody's maturity and wisdom grows at different rates. The problem and question in making laws based on age is this: are you going to make the law based on those who are the most mature for their age, or are you going to make the law based on those who are most immature for their age? And without accurate statistical analysis of the maturity of the population of any country, state or province, (nearly impossible), how will you gauge the maturity and readiness for sex of the age or age group in question? I think that the law should be written towards the least wise and mature for their age in their state/county/province, like the age of 18. Anyone youger than that, whoever it is, if found to be in violation of the law, should then be able to argue/prove in court that both partners can handle the responsibility of children, or if it is a gay relationship, that they are old enough to be responsible about it. What is your opinion on ages as a number? I think it's all about what you learn during your years on earth, and how you understand the things you experience, not just how long you've been alive, period. In other words, I think age, for the most part, is just a number. For instance, I lost my virginity to a very young looking 39 year old when I was 20, and everyone who saw us together thought she was my age.
(Edited to include: This doesn't relate as much to the original question as it does to the age of consent question that was brought up as a result. Thanks for forgiving me.)

[Edited on Nov 20, 2005 by ZombieStomp]

In both ancient Roman and Egyptian cultures, it was par for the course for siblings in the ruling family to intermarry to keep the bloodline "pure". Of course, what ended up happening is that they were so inbred that they went from big strong intelligent to small weak and illness-prone.

People marrying their cousins has been in the UK news this week. It's common practice in some Pakistani families, and an MP has suggested that they stop it. They have something like 11 times the usual chance of a child with a congenital defect.

The only issues I have with it are the risk of deformities in their children and the ickiness factor. That said, I refuse to think they should pass a law against a sexual practice just because I think it's "icky", so hey... whatever... If they can figure out how to prevent them from having biological children, fine.

And even the "icky" thing is simply my reaction to the idea of having sex with my brother (ewww), not two OTHER siblings having sex. If they're in love and happy, who am I to judge? Yay for them.

Trust you to know a good age-of-consent site.

I'm here to help.

Also, in California (but not yet in any other states) statutory rape is not a strict liability crime. Basically here if you meet a girl in a bar where they card aggressively and it turns out she was using a fake and is not 18 you can argue reasonable mistake and... er... get off. Everywhere else in that situation you're serving time. It's a much more reasonable and fair system, in my opinion.

Again, I have no idea what any of this has to do with German incest, but I thought I'd chip in to the conversation a little more.

I don't think a loving relationship is a necessary result of screwing

And really, thank God for that.

This is called the Rob Lowe Defense

Well, this actually goes into part of my point. I know many 16-year-olds who DO know what they want (or did in some cases, as they're not 16 anymore), and those that don't should opt not to.

Also, I know many *18*-year-olds without a damn clue. And yet that arbitrary number applies across the board. Now, I know they have to have SOME time, but I don't think I'm a weird case in the sense that between turning 16 and turning 18 I wasn't so completely different in these understandings. Sure, a little, and in some ways the difference was more noticeablw that others, but it was really over the course of being 19 that it really started coming into focus for me.

Does this mean that the age of consent should be 20? I mean, supposing this is NORMAL and all ... no, I don't really think so.


What really gets me is how legally (and socially), it's just fine for "underage" teenagers to have all the sex they want with each other, but not with someone who is 18 or 19. I mean, a 17-year-old could have sex with someone who is 14 just fine. But make that 16 and 19 and all of a sudden you've got a huge problem. Well fuck, this could be the SAME couple 2 years down the line.


And to go from being 17, and having your options "restricted" so much, to being 18, and being able to fuck a 65-year-old man ... is a bit odd to me. Especially since the 18-yo could be just as confused as ever (like some people I know).

When I turned 18, I actually felt like I was being pushed into growing up too fast.


But anyway, as also evidenced by the fact that the TEENAGERS don't get into any trouble really, so much as the ADULTS in these situations, it seems really obvious to me that the intent of these laws are to protect kids from being preyed upon by adults.

Well, if a 16-yo is too young, how come it's okay if the guy's in the military? Or if the girl is legally emancipated? Or in half the countries in Europe?

How come a lot of people would think I was some kind of pervert just to admit that a girl this age was ATTRACTIVE.


It also bothers me that one could go out and fight and die for this country, or for the people of ANOTHER country as the case may be ... but they can't go buy a fucking beer.

16-yos smoke and shit as well, and I dunno, it seems to me like they're not going to be "preyed" upon by guys who are 20 or even 25. ...And why the fuck should a girl weho has everything going for her HAVE to fuck some stupid, lowlife 16-year-old dude, when there is so much better out there?


...For the record, I am 25, and personally, my general rule is that any girl I'm going to think about "in that way" has to be at least 19. Not 16 or even 18. So I'm not trying to make any excuses for anything. You sick bastards.

I'm not exactly sure what I think of this. Logically, I can't say why I think it would be wrong or anything like that at all, but somehow I just know that there's something not right about it.

Maybe it's some sort of genetic thing that goes "No, not that one", or just that my sister isn't my "type" ... but the thought of doing her just DOES NOT appeal to me AT ALL.


I don't think it's just social programming in that case, though in the other rant I just posted, that might indeed explain why people in this country feel so weird about it (age of consent 16 instead of 18).


Now, to get back on track, if they were 2 girls and around 13 or so ... that might be a little different except that they may feel really weird about this later on. It's hard to say as I can't really imagine myself in that situation. Maybe they should rely on friends for this kind of experimentation. Somehow, that does seem "better" to me, though who the fuck am I to speculate on that shit?


Yeah I know ... I rule, so that gives me enough room on its own...