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aksiokersa

aksiokersa

I'm lost
October 2004

NOV 02, 2005 02:30 AM

Al said:

aksiokersa said:

Cassiel said:
Here's my explanation for the way I feel:

I have come to realize that there are certain people/places/things/ideas that I have this unnatural, irrational, and unexplainable hatred towards. When I see these things, I am filled with a rage and question, "Why the hell do you exist?"

My friend may have an explanation though. She said that our genes are programmed a certain way to help us seek out those with similiar minds/lifestyles/etc. However, they are also programmed to alert us when something "is not right" about someone else's genes. Ths causes us to go into a defense/attack mode, much like our primitive ancestors. I find that this holds true. The reptilian brain is like, "Ice this motherfucker so that the gene pool satys clean."

That's what it's like to me.

/end rant



Well, using your logic, I could just as easily argue that since diversity creates better odds for survival in changing environments, we are "programmed" by evolution to seek out differences. I could site our well-documented attraction to all things novel as proof of this fact. Someone could counter my argument with the evidence for kin-selection, I could counter with Gould and Lewontin's critique of functionalism and a bajillion ethnographies documenting "outsider-allure," and we could go back and forth forever. There is no "answer" to why we hate. There are only a bunch of hypotheses - and the "biological" theory lacks any actual supporting evidence.

Claiming that one's perspective is the "natural" or "biologically selected" one is stepping onto really shaky and very dangerous ground. /$0.02


No, I think you're using faulty logic. We're genetically programmed to seek out the "fittest" partener with whom to pass on our DNA. This doesn't mean we want someone "different" or "novel" but someone who is "fit" in whatever way our biology deems. If someone is *physically* repulsed by someone else's behavior I think it's a pretty strong indication that it's not a learned repulsion but a natural reaction. For instance, I am repulsed by a certain type of person (I'll call this person "type b"). When I hear about, read about, see or otherwise encounter a type b individual I become nauseated and agitated, I want to cry and vomit, I would rather die than have to procreate with a type b. However, the type b is a very common person. When I think of it objectively there's absolutely no reason for me to be made sick by a type b. I'm sure the kind of person I am makes other people sick too, but there's so reason for me to condemn their lifestyle choices, just as there is no reason for them to condemn mine. However, I just can't fucking stand type bs, and the only reason I can think of for it must be biological, because it certainly isn't a logical thing. The type b person is the exact opposite of the type of person I'm attracted to, which is part of the reason I don't like them. But to be made physically sick by them? What we are and aren't attracted to is dictated by both nature and nurture, and I have been taught to be tolerant and unprejudiced when it comes to other lifestyles (which I tend to be, on the whole), so what other reason would there be for my utter disgust?

We are programmed to seek out differences, not programmed to seek out differences that our instincts deem to make us unfit for survival. We are attracted to those with similar interests because it will help us stay together and raise our young. We want similar minds (as the original poster said). We don't, however, necessarily want similar physical traits. We seek out the exotic, but if something is too exotic we won't be able to get along with them. Yes, we are attracted to what is different, but that's on a very primitive, biological level. Look at your group of friends and tell me that they don't hold similar interests. Now look at them and tell me you all look alike.



Yes, my logic is faulty and that was my point: All sides of an argument that invoke natural selection to explain human behavior are usually on shaky logical ground. They are all undermined because of the equifinality inherent in problems like these and because of the lack of data. Right now, we know very little about which selective pressures actually affected our gene pool and we still don't have methods that would effectively tease out the necessary variables to test most hypotheses about behavioral traits.

A physical response combined with a lack of logical explanation isn't necessarily a sign that one's genetics are responsible for ones behavior. Physical responses can happen because of cultural conditioning too. Most of the time, we don't even know how to find a true causative link between a behavior and a particular piece of genetic material because human behavior is so complex.

The only point I am trying to make is that, in most cases, we can't say what we are or are not programmed for because, as of yet, there is no valid and reliable way to support or contradict that kind of hypothesis.

and stuff. smile

aksiokersa

aksiokersa

I'm lost
October 2004

NOV 02, 2005 02:33 AM

kitschy said:
Go aksiokersa!! Go you! *high five the brainiac* kiss



Ha- I'm hardly a brain compared to the other folks who are commenting. But thanks!
kiss

Cain

Cain

SUICIDEGIRL

Iceland

NOV 02, 2005 05:47 AM

holy shit.

grahf

grahf

New York, NY
September 2002

NOV 02, 2005 08:45 AM

Cassiel said:
it the fact that they have a vampire fetish that gets to me...an attraction to a being/creature that is not real


I'm gonna make you sorry you said that. In fact, I'm gonna make anyone who clicks the spoiler sorry you said that.

Orko27

Orko27

Lacey, WA
October 2004

NOV 02, 2005 01:21 PM

Let us return to what is important in this thread.

Al said:
Batshit insane, but cute as hell!


Whoah...

Alukh

Alukh

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

NOV 02, 2005 02:18 PM

shocked Spoiler picture!

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

NOV 02, 2005 02:43 PM

Al said:

says smart stuff



This is going to be my new slang.

"Dude, what about her?"

"No way! She's totally type B!"

Thanks for allowing my vocabulary to explode like blood gushing from two deep tooth inflicted neck wounds.

[Edited on Nov 02, 2005 by Lemonkid]

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