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OCT 06, 2005 08:49 PM
spamdog said:
Got to jump in here--the level of sanctimony has reached intolerable levels. Seems there are two objections to the dog encounter--first, that it is "unnatural" or "wrong" and second that it constitutes molestation.
As to the first. People would do well to remember that for the vast majority of human history in most cultures--as well as many countries today--practices that most of us find perfectly acceptable were considered inherently objectionable. Masturbation. Homosexuality. Sodomy (either oral or anal sex). To state that a particular practice is wrong, without adequate analysis as to why, reeks of sanctimony. If one bothers to read statutes or legal commentary from colonial America, England, or even American states into the twentieth century, homosexuality is often directly compared to bestiality. Also, in the antebellum South, interacial sex was in many circles quite literally considered bestiality inasmuch as African Americans were not seen as fully human. Sexual mores are socially constructed, and it is curious that so many members of this site are happy to throw stones, when they engage in conduct that probably one billion muslims, many tribal communities, and probably most of the evangelical South consider to be as offensive as fucking a dog. Lassie sex does not do it for me, but before one jumps down this guys throat, recognize just how thin the glass is in the castles in which you reside.
OK, you say. There IS a meaningful distinction between various sexual practices--those with mutual consent are OK, and sex between a dog and a person lacks such consent. The problem with this argument is first that it is question begging and second that it is normatively anemic. First, while people here may prefer a moral philosophy based on mutual consent and "let it hang out so long as there is mutual consent" most of the world does not share this view. Hence the traditional law against homosexuality, prostitution, adult incest, bigamy, etc. (We can discuss the feeble counterargument of "those things hurt other people while my practices don't" another time if you like). Second, extending the concept of consent to animals in most cases is not only so facile as to be ridiculous, but also trivializes the very core philosophic values that the consent paradigm is designed to promote. Consent ultimately is based on some notion of advanced rational thought--hence legal and moral distinction such as duress, legal incompetence, etc. I DON'T KNOW whether a dog wants to be boned by a person, but I would presume that if the dog did not want to, it would walk away, growl, or, if pressed, attack. To simply assert all sex with all animals at all times necessarily lacks consent is flawed as a matter of both logic and observation. The more important reason that arguing the consent issue in the context of bestiality is silly is that to do so trivializes the philosophic debate about consent. We do need to have discussions such as whether and when people can meaningfully consent to sex (age of consent? prostitution? power differentials in the workplace?), and to demean that philosophic inquiry by dragging it into the bestiality discussion is akin to those obnoxious people who when they see the slightest social injustice compare it to Hitler.
Finally, the fact that this guy was a 13 year old meth addict with a gun is infinitely more disconcerting than the fact that he was trying to give his dog a bone.
Perspective people. As Martha would say, "It's a good thing."
spamdog
WELL SAID. and a first post to boot.
OCT 06, 2005 09:58 PM
FreakPirate said:
Keith said:
Original poster, you don't seem to realize that your only hope now is, not to defend the original post, but to try to work on not being remembered forever as "dog fucker". You might be able to pull that off.
Not a fucking chance man.
Not a dog-fucking chance.
TheRedBaron
Cambridge, MA
November 2003
OCT 06, 2005 10:50 PM
OCT 06, 2005 11:13 PM
TheRedBaron
Cambridge, MA
November 2003
OCT 07, 2005 07:08 AM
spamdog said:
Touche. But then, some of the comments on this thread needed an analytic bitch slap. Perhaps I should have tried to refocus the discussion; for example, "If you had to fuck a dog, which dog would you choose?" I'd say Perdita from 101 Dalmations. Classy dame, scrappy to boot. And I do love British accents . . . .
spamdog
No way man. It's all about the femme dog in the pound from lady and the tramp. You remember. The one with eyeshadow on.
...You know, if I were a cartoon dog, or some crazy shit. 
[Edited on Oct 07, 2005 by TheRedBaron]
OCT 07, 2005 07:09 AM
spamdog said:
Touche. But then, some of the comments on this thread needed an analytic bitch slap. Perhaps I should have tried to refocus the discussion; for example, "If you had to fuck a dog, which dog would you choose?" I'd say Perdita from 101 Dalmations. Classy dame, scrappy to boot. And I do love British accents . . . .
spamdog
I think this guy (or gal) is gonna do okay here. 
Blueberries
I'm lost
September 2005
OCT 07, 2005 09:33 AM
OCT 07, 2005 03:22 PM
spamdog said:
Stuff.
Not to jump on the bandwagon or anything but...wow, great first post.
So what are you doing here? The CE board needs you so much more. 
[Edited on Oct 07, 2005 by Andvari]
OCT 07, 2005 03:31 PM
DUDE??? 
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DEC 12, 2005 07:33 PM
ACarr
Asheville, NC
November 2004
DEC 12, 2005 07:52 PM
Gwendolyn said:
countderekula said:
I know what it is like to be a horny teenage boy. I had heard far more disgusting stories like this even in junior high.
I am sure that one of you guys pretending to be shocked or surprised by this story has been "balls deep" in a lamb or a dog or something.
I think most horny teenage boys just mess around with horny teenage girls, dude.
I hate to bust your dog-fuckin' bubble... but yeah... you're a little off.
I mean honestly! You were going to FUCK A DOG! What the hell is wrong with you?!? 
DEC 12, 2005 08:18 PM
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DEC 12, 2005 08:27 PM
Roethke said:
Oh, so you were poor as a kid you say? Well, I guess it's understandable then.
You poor fuckers shouldn't be expected to hold up to the same standards as the rest of us ridiculously overprivileged folk.
Well, yeah. Rich people don't fuck mutts. Beneath their pure bloodline.
-TM
[Edited on Dec 12, 2005 by thefreak]
DEC 12, 2005 08:30 PM
DEC 12, 2005 08:31 PM
Here's the best place for a Dave Attell quote:
And we WONDER why the animals ATTACK us.
-TM
DEC 12, 2005 09:22 PM
thefreak said:
Here's the best place for a Dave Attell quote:
And we WONDER why the animals ATTACK us.
-TM
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA YES. ATTELL RULES
thefreak
NEWSWIRE
Gardner, MA
OCT 06, 2005 08:38 PM