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pureblu12225

pureblu12225

San Diego, CA
August 2002

OCT 01, 2002 09:57 PM

me I'm straight but have an attraction towards awsome cutie girls what that may mean I'm not quite sure...but I am always up for expirementation smile

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

OCT 01, 2002 09:58 PM

I will be on AIM tomorrow...for now, though, I am going to bed.

SG is making me really...excited...tonight, and so I must go take a shower and get into bed before I stay up all night posting and fantasizing.

Here are more cuddles for csilla, though. ((((cuddle)))) biggrin

l0nd0

l0nd0

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 12:59 AM

csilla said:

Eve said:
how would you define pansexuality?



i got this from a girl i know who is really interested in pansexuality and all that jazz:

pansexuality is an emerging term to refer to an attraction to people, not "romantic attachment to people of the same and opposite sex" but to people (and most likely, some specific set of groups within) the entire spectrum of sexes, sex categories and genders regardless of dis/ability, sexualities, age, race, class, etc. it is a broadening of the idea of "bisexuality" that breaks free from the ides of male/female and opens up new ideas-- pansexuals not as traitors to either hets or homosexuals, but as EQUAL allies in a united resistance against heteronormative culture and heterosexist ideas.
there is NO SUCH THING as being more queer than someone else. its like being more unique. it's a grammatical and therefore actual impossibility.
pansexuality creates a term for people whose sexual attractions go beyond or fall in between or swirl around the gender binary and sexual orientation binary. it allows for transgender and intersex sexuality, and trans-identified and intersex-identified "bisexuality." it allows one to say that they prefer mostly masculine (or mostly feminine, or mostly kinky, or mostly curvy, or mostly goth, or mostly intelligent) people regardless of genitalia. it is a sexuality NOT based on an attraction to a specific set of genitals (male/female) but to whatever type of person gets you hot. pansexuality allows those who do not identify as either male or female, or as genderqueer or as gender-less or as genderful to have a sexuality. strict definitions of hetero-,homo- and bisexuality deny a transgender existence. strict definitions of hetero-, homo- and bisexuality deny an intersex existence.
pansexuality allows people who have previously before only believed it was possible to love/lust/want to fuck people of the same or opposite sex to realize there is far more out there. it forces us to look and criticize the gender binary and the social constructions of gender. pansexuality tears down binaries and forces us to look at things in terms of a spectrum, or circle, or arch. it allows people to live/fuck/love outside of what we've been told is "good, moral and decent"

i'll try to get my own in the near future smile

xoxo csilla (sorry this was so long!!!)



This was well said I agree with you completely. smile

phaedraeos

phaedraeos

Ithaca, NY
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 01:20 AM

i like everybody love

rawr_ima_monster

rawr_ima_monster

Los Angeles, CA
July 2002

OCT 02, 2002 02:16 AM

this pansexuality thign sounds like a mutch better concept of Bi tha nthe one I so frequently run into. I'd say that I openly support anyone who believe int he dogma of said pansexuality. the problem for me is that the average "bi" girl I meet (or have met) is susually just doign it "because it's fun" or "because it turns their boyfriends on" or "because it's somethign I dod to make my bnoy more hot and happy". that's fucked. I really really dont' want ot say this, but it seems like the whole casual refference to bisexuality in the media, culture, and entertainment industry, especially porn (but htere was an episode ofWill and Gracve with a three way for crying otu loud, laugh track and all), is makign it seem like all nomral hetero girls should be into girls, because htat's just sexy. the smae way that women are all wearing high heels becasue men told them it was sexy decades ago, in a few years, I'm afraid all women will be "into girls" because mean and their socially accepted sexual fantasies have begun to involve this image more and more. I challenge you to find a soft core porn or hard core porn withotu a "girl on girl" scene, and most of these women are not "pansexuals". They're just kinda slutty, and do it because it's sexually different than being banged by porn guys over and over, and "that shit sells". I really don't want ot sound even in the least bit bigotted or sexist. anyone who knows me here knows that that is NOT me, but I seriously get concerned for the effect all of this has on the legitimacy of the monogamous, intelligent lesbian relationship, and what it will do to the integrity of the ideal of lesbianism beign a normal way to live your life as a female. more and more, my lesbian freinds hear "you just haven't been with the right man, baby" or "I can change you over" or "that's cool, my girlfriend digs chicks too, maybe we can have some fun together" ALL the time from guys, because the sexual media is tellign them that sexy girls get it on with other girls, regardless of their relationships with guys. and that's not fair to women that don't want men, and don't want to be told that they should, since a lot of women like women AND men. for a long time, It has seeme like bisexuality is too often used as a crutch for being a non-commital, selfish, often emotioinally damaing, and sometimes just premiscuous person, regardles of it's effects on your relationships long-term.
-Is willign to type all this because he is drunk and feeling lesbianish,
Dave

rawr_ima_monster

rawr_ima_monster

Los Angeles, CA
July 2002

OCT 02, 2002 02:17 AM

oh, and also, me am a cuddlign feind.
-wants to cuddle REAL bad,
Dave

Psmith

Psmith

Fountain Valley, CA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 03:33 AM

sexual and gender identity means nothing to me. I don't feel like anything. maybe pathetic loser would be the best desricption?

I've had few sexual experiences and they generally weren't positive, I'm much rather have someone to cuddle with.

[Edited on Oct 02, 2002 by siouxsie]

l0nd0

l0nd0

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 04:25 AM

this cuddleing thing sounds good too im in and so is my girlfriend.

saturn

saturn

Chicago, IL
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 04:57 AM

i like who i like, love who i love & fuck who i fuck. don't really pay attention to gender & have a hard time finding a label i fit in.

bishop

bishop

Iceland
September 2002

OCT 02, 2002 05:23 AM

and in the end - does it really matter? you hook up with who you want - no gender issues at all

tryptamine

tryptamine

Svalbard And Jan Mayen
August 2002

OCT 02, 2002 10:19 AM

i can't really put a label on myself. my desires vary too much. sometimes i want a girl, sometimes i want a guy, and sometimes i just don't care. plus, there are far too many stereotypes associated with bisexuality.

as for what poopydave said about girls doing it because its cool, i get really pissed when i tell a guy that i like girls too and he says shit like that. i usually end the conversation there with a very cold, "if i wanted to do that, i would have suggested it."

Elise

Elise

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

OCT 02, 2002 10:19 AM

in response to poopydave:

yes this whole "i'm doing it for my boyfriend" deal has ALWAYS bothered me!

just rest assured, as for myself, i am NOT bi for my boyfriend! sure, he accepts it, but let me tell you, he is NOT into threesomes (had one before with a past girlfriend before me and hated the experience), and he is NOT into me doing chicks in front of him (or behind his back). so there can't be anyway i'm bi for his sake! biggrin

but yeah, i do see your point. and it happens more than it should. if you're into chicks, be INTO CHICKS. if you're into guys, be INTO GUYS. if you're into both, be me! biggrin hehehe

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

OCT 02, 2002 12:03 PM

I've never understood the whole "doing it for the boyfriend" thing either. That's not really LOVE, or compromise. And I think it's unfair to whoever gets brought in as the third, too. I would never want to do someone who wasn't even attracted to me, much less who wasn't attracted to my entire gender.

And even being bi, if a guy asked me to bring in a third and i wasn't comfortable with that, and he asked me to do it "for him"? I'd kick him in the nuts.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 12:14 PM

I'm straight....and I've never had a homosexual experience. But, I will find myself looking at an attractive guy. Not out of a sexual attraction....I just think that nice looking people are nice to look at.

I actually got into a heated discussion about sexuality a few months ago. one fo the guys I used to work with was flamingly in the closet...you wanna talk denial.

Anyway.....he was dead set in his belief that "noone is gay or straight, there's only a sliding scale of bisexuality" I didn't want to start offending people but to make that kind of assumption was ludicrous. I might look at attractive people of both sexes because they're nice to look at....but the thought of any cock but mine near me gives me the willys.

hatefulerin

hatefulerin

Bellingham, WA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 12:33 PM

the 'doing it for the boyfriend' thing really irritates me. this is why i don't want to be bisexual; i hate all the stigmas that are attached.
maybe i can be a lesbian who likes boys. that would work right???
then people could say "hey look, it's eve, the lesbian who likes boys."
...except that no one would actually say that.

don't mind me, i'm in an odd mood.

Emily

Emily

SUICIDEGIRL

Alaska, USA

OCT 02, 2002 12:46 PM

I'm straight as a bi-gay.....

xjermx

xjermx

Columbus, OH
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 01:03 PM

Even though I've never fucked a guy and I've never met more than a handfull of guys I was "attracted" too, does the fact that I don't rule it out entirely make me bi? I've always kinda' thought everyone is bi naturally, but they lean one way or the other. Obviousley some pople lean WAY one way or the other, but the average person is in the middle. Just a thought.

csilla

csilla

Buffalo, NY
July 2002

OCT 02, 2002 01:05 PM

Eve said:
the 'doing it for the boyfriend' thing really irritates me. this is why i don't want to be bisexual; i hate all the stigmas that are attached.
maybe i can be a lesbian who likes boys. that would work right???
then people could say "hey look, it's eve, the lesbian who likes boys."
...except that no one would actually say that.

don't mind me, i'm in an odd mood.



yeah, it irritates me and frustrated me as well. and i hate the way people stick bisexuals into such steriotypes. i am bisexual and i like being bisexual. i dont want to deny that because people think that i am just "experimenting" or "doing it for my boyfriend" i have had a lot of lesbian and gay people put me down because i am bisexual and they dont think that is valid. well fuck that. whos to judge anybody and tell them that there sexuality is not valid?

i really like the "lesbian who likes boys" thing though.

freyja

freyja

I'm lost
August 2002

OCT 02, 2002 01:16 PM

i'm not big into labels.. i love people.
girls, boys, girls who were boys, boys who were girls, girls who identify as boys, boys who identify as girls.. whatEVAH. some more than others of course, but that's based on chemistry and personality and cuteness, etc.

if you can work it, and you wanna swing it my way.. it's all good.

clamby

clamby

Beaverton, OR
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 02:50 PM

'doing it for the boyfriend'...

i've always thought that if a man wants his girlfriend to have a threesome with another girl, he should be just as willing to bring in another guy.

i'm straight up to this point, but the pansexuality thing makes a lot of sense. maybe i'll convert

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

OCT 02, 2002 02:59 PM

csilla said:
i am bisexual and i like being bisexual. i dont want to deny that because people think that i am just "experimenting" or "doing it for my boyfriend"



And of course, people assume that us bi people are promiscuous, can't be monogamous, or that we "change" depending on the gender of the person we're with (i.e. i am with a guy now, therefore i am temporarily straight in their eyes), that when we date guys it's a cop out, that we will make out with everyone's girlfriend or any random girl at a party, and that we have threesomes every day.

liquid29

liquid29

Stockton, CA
July 2002

OCT 02, 2002 03:07 PM

I'm with Freyj on this one...whetever works, works. Hell, I always said if I saw Kermit the Frog wandering down the street and he caught my eye...

God I love that frog.

piningshaft

piningshaft

San Francisco, CA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 02, 2002 03:14 PM

apparently i'm a gssm.

confused

csilla

csilla

Buffalo, NY
July 2002

OCT 02, 2002 03:52 PM

piningshaft said:
apparently i'm a gssm.

confused



well you rock for that!! smile

Sparkle

Sparkle

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

OCT 02, 2002 04:32 PM

id say about 70/30....in favour of the boys

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