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Mortifer

Mortifer

Jacksonville, FL
OLD SKOOL

OCT 25, 2010 12:03 AM

Not in a sexual manner, but being tg, I just wanted to know how others felt about the Transgendered-gender dysphoric. Would Like to hear about how other TG women lurking may feel how people have reflected upon them.

I thought JAX would suck being TG here, but I am supprised on how nice ppl are to me...nicer to me even before I decided this path awhile ago.

Psyche

Psyche

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

OCT 25, 2010 12:15 PM

Do you classify yourself as genderfluid too, or just TG? Cause I'm totally into androgyny. smile

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

OCT 25, 2010 02:09 PM

I don't think most people here care. And I think anyone who is bothered by it will probably keep their mouth shut unless they like being put on ignore by anyone who reads their posts.

HelloCupcake

HelloCupcake

Lake Placid, NY
July 2007

OCT 25, 2010 03:35 PM

I'm mostly curious about it, as I don't think I have personally met anyone who identifies as transgendered.

I wouldn't know how to phrase questions? Hmm. I'll come back to this after there are some more posts.

Jensen

Jensen

SUICIDEGIRL

Texas, USA

OCT 25, 2010 05:02 PM

wtfcupcakes said:
I'm mostly curious about it, as I don't think I have personally met anyone who identifies as transgendered.



This. And also, I'm all for people doing whatever makes them happy. If it's something that makes you happy or makes you feel better about yourself and the skin you're in, I support it. As long as nobody is getting hurt in the process, which they aren't, people have no right to bitch about it smile.

JulesDoll

JulesDoll

Seattle, WA
May 2007

OCT 25, 2010 05:58 PM

I've had transgendered friends and have always been open minded about the whole subject. I'm also very into androgyny and I'm genderblind, I don't choose partners bases on gender. I could very easily see myself comfortable dating someone who is transgendered.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 25, 2010 06:51 PM

Mortifer said:
Not in a sexual manner, but being tg, I just wanted to know how others felt about the Transgendered-gender dysphoric.



I don't give a fiddler's fart, to be perfectly honest. I don't care what you wear, who you sleep with or what's in your pants. I'll treat you with the same respect I extend to any stranger I run across.

Vanessa

Vanessa

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

OCT 25, 2010 06:59 PM

Cash said:

Mortifer said:
Not in a sexual manner, but being tg, I just wanted to know how others felt about the Transgendered-gender dysphoric.



I don't give a fiddler's fart, to be perfectly honest. I don't care what you wear, who you sleep with or what's in your pants. I'll treat you with the same respect I extend to any stranger I run across.



Same here. As long as you're a nice person, I don't care "what" you are smile

r00kers

r00kers

Nederland, CO
February 2003

OCT 25, 2010 07:11 PM

Same as anyone else. It depends on how you treat other humans, including me. How you identify/configure is really up to you, it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket. (Paraphrase T. Jefferson)

MisterSatan

MisterSatan

Portland, OR
August 2002

OCT 26, 2010 07:45 AM

Other than a slight sense of admiration for somebody in taking steps to be comfortable in their own skin, it matters not one whit to me. I have a couple of TG friends and it's no thing, really. In fact, I'd much rather have a conversation with someone who's the person they feel they ought to be, rather than someone who's not happy with themselves and who they are.

This post may not make the MOST amount of sense, because I just woke up and I'm sorry about that... believe me, I'm sorry.

Holy shit I'm tired.

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

OCT 26, 2010 10:33 AM

I have great respect and admiration for someone willing to endure the prejudices of our society to be who they think they are. I wouldn't say I don't care, because I agree with MisterSatain and would prefer that people are able to be what makes them happy.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

OCT 26, 2010 10:37 AM

I still have a stumbling block that I haven't been able to get past with regards to TG people. My issue is when M2F folks talk about "being a single mother" or speak up about feminist issues specifically FROM the point of view of being a woman when society hasn't treated them as a woman for most of their lives, or chiming in with their opinion about biologically female issues (ovulation, menstruation, pregnancy, etc....) as if they're biologically female.

I had the same gut emotional reaction to the media storm surrounding the TG man with a uterus who had a baby. It's just a hot button for me. However, I realize that the compassion is more important than my opinion about what makes a "real woman," so I try not to let it affect my interactions with TG people.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

OCT 26, 2010 11:13 AM

Evercunt said:
I still have a stumbling block that I haven't been able to get past with regards to TG people. My issue is when M2F folks talk about "being a single mother" or speak up about feminist issues specifically FROM the point of view of being a woman when society hasn't treated them as a woman for most of their lives, or chiming in with their opinion about biologically female issues (ovulation, menstruation, pregnancy, etc....) as if they're biologically female.

I think that's a pretty rare occurrence. I don't think I've ever even heard of a TG female speaking as if she has ovaries.

I had the same gut emotional reaction to the media storm surrounding the TG man with a uterus who had a baby. It's just a hot button for me. However, I realize that the compassion is more important than my opinion about what makes a "real woman," so I try not to let it affect my interactions with TG people.

It's really not that difficult when you realize and accept the fact that it's not a choice for them.

I remember the first time I met a TG woman. It was in Vegas and she was with her wife (she decided to live as a woman after they were married and had kids). It was really difficult for me to see her as a "she" because of the overwhelming masculine features (not including a winkie...didn't check) but I remember that was the last time I was uncomfortable or felt weird about it for any reason. Again, realizing it's not a choice for them helps you understand it much better.

It sucks that we are programmed by society to have so many expectations prejudices against fellow humans. We just have to work at being in the correct mindset, unfortunately.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

OCT 26, 2010 01:26 PM

Gringo said:

Evercunt said:
I still have a stumbling block that I haven't been able to get past with regards to TG people. My issue is when M2F folks talk about "being a single mother" or speak up about feminist issues specifically FROM the point of view of being a woman when society hasn't treated them as a woman for most of their lives, or chiming in with their opinion about biologically female issues (ovulation, menstruation, pregnancy, etc....) as if they're biologically female.

I think that's a pretty rare occurrence. I don't think I've ever even heard of a TG female speaking as if she has ovaries.



I'm sure you're right. I think it's tough because the hormone therapy that TGs take can cause a lot of emotional upheaval and unfamiliar feelings that might make them think they get what it's like to live in a female body. And maybe the mood issues are similar, but it's not the same.

Gringo said:

Evercunt said:I had the same gut emotional reaction to the media storm surrounding the TG man with a uterus who had a baby. It's just a hot button for me. However, I realize that the compassion is more important than my opinion about what makes a "real woman," so I try not to let it affect my interactions with TG people.

It's really not that difficult when you realize and accept the fact that it's not a choice for them.

I remember the first time I met a TG woman. It was in Vegas and she was with her wife (she decided to live as a woman after they were married and had kids). It was really difficult for me to see her as a "she" because of the overwhelming masculine features (not including a winkie...didn't check) but I remember that was the last time I was uncomfortable or felt weird about it for any reason. Again, realizing it's not a choice for them helps you understand it much better.

It sucks that we are programmed by society to have so many expectations prejudices against fellow humans. We just have to work at being in the correct mindset, unfortunately.



Yeah, after years of having my much more tolerant than me husband trying to explain this to me, this segment (act two) of American Life finally got me to a place where I was able to see what it means to be transgender. I was never disgusted or anything, I just didn't "get it" until I listened to the story of those two kids.

RumpusParable

RumpusParable

Copperas Cove, TX
April 2003

OCT 26, 2010 08:22 PM

Well, being a transgendered person myself (of the female non-gender variety) I'm pretty neutral on the whole thing, myself... I like or dislike folks based on how they act and treat others, not on the basis of gender and/or sex.

Moonlil

Moonlil

HOPEFUL

Trenton, NJ

OCT 26, 2010 08:26 PM

The only thing that matters is how you treat others. That and being happy.

toothpickmoe

toothpickmoe

Los Angeles, CA
May 2004

OCT 26, 2010 08:36 PM

I feel the same way I do about most anyone that pursues what they want without harming others or themselves.

NotoriousCAT

NotoriousCAT

Atlanta, GA
January 2004

OCT 26, 2010 09:00 PM

Roethke said:
I have great respect and admiration for someone willing to endure the prejudices of our society to be who they think they are. I wouldn't say I don't care, because I agree with MisterSatain and would prefer that people are able to be what makes them happy.



i agree with this 100%.

but i will admit that i am sometimes less than comfortable with trying to be sensitive to what transgendered people want with regards to how to be addressed or treated in both a social/business setting. (and i am including in this when it is not entirely clear if one is transgendered or just prefers to look/act/dress as the opposite sex.) both socially and at work i often encounter people who are clearly in the middle of the gender spectrum without having a certainty as to what gender they are identifying themselves with. while i don't mind, i am definitely more comfortable when someone makes it subtly clear to me where they lie on that spectrum.

not sure that i worded this well, apologies if i confuse.

jovanna_loveless

jovanna_loveless

I'm lost
November 2005

OCT 26, 2010 10:01 PM

I'm a Lesbian trans-woman and I'm only attracted women (main reason why I'm here) So yeah, If you're an open-minded woman who no problems with trans-women, feel free to be my friendsmile

I am human and I need to be loved, just like everybody else does- morrissey

NotoriousCAT

NotoriousCAT

Atlanta, GA
January 2004

OCT 27, 2010 06:31 AM

thank you for this.

jovanna_loveless said:
"I'm a Lesbian trans-woman and I'm only attracted women"


if descriptions/introductions like this were more common, the social aspects of what i mentioned above would be completely eliminated. smile

PISSED

PISSED

Billings, MT
December 2003

OCT 28, 2010 10:13 AM

Roethke said:
I have great respect and admiration for someone willing to endure the prejudices of our society to be who they think they are. I wouldn't say I don't care, because I agree with MisterSatain and would prefer that people are able to be what makes them happy.



My sentiments EXACTLY.biggrin

WingZephyr

WingZephyr

New Orleans, LA
October 2010

OCT 28, 2010 11:45 PM

My only personal experience with a transgendered person is a friend of my cousin that works at a club downtown here in new orleans. i didn't feel weird around her or anything like most people likely would. i had a chat with her about the goings on of the city and whatnot, how my cousin became friends with her and decided she was just a kewl person.

I'd never given the topic a major amount of thought, but i have the same stumbling block issue evercunt did. i never understood the idea to deliberately alter your body to be the opposite gender. the oddest thought that occurred to me was who got the idea in their head to perfect the procedure.

but in the end, like everyone here said, its what makes a person happy that counts.

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

OCT 29, 2010 12:29 AM

Evercunt said:

Gringo said:

Evercunt said:
I still have a stumbling block that I haven't been able to get past with regards to TG people. My issue is when M2F folks talk about "being a single mother" or speak up about feminist issues specifically FROM the point of view of being a woman when society hasn't treated them as a woman for most of their lives, or chiming in with their opinion about biologically female issues (ovulation, menstruation, pregnancy, etc....) as if they're biologically female.

I think that's a pretty rare occurrence. I don't think I've ever even heard of a TG female speaking as if she has ovaries.



I'm sure you're right. I think it's tough because the hormone therapy that TGs take can cause a lot of emotional upheaval and unfamiliar feelings that might make them think they get what it's like to live in a female body. And maybe the mood issues are similar, but it's not the same.


Is that your medical opinion?

Maybe it's not a great idea to speak with such authority about what is and isn't on something you don't really know anything about.

ElizaTheTroll

ElizaTheTroll

Australia
January 2006

OCT 29, 2010 02:35 AM

_Elichrusos said:

Evercunt said:
I'm sure you're right. I think it's tough because the hormone therapy that TGs take can cause a lot of emotional upheaval and unfamiliar feelings that might make them think they get what it's like to live in a female body. And maybe the mood issues are similar, but it's not the same.


Is that your medical opinion?

Maybe it's not a great idea to speak with such authority about what is and isn't on something you don't really know anything about.



Wait, I'm slightly confused now. Are you saying that transwomen are inherently better at knowing what being a ciswomen feels like than ciswomen are at knowing what being a transwoman feels like, or are you saying that we can't know whether ciswomen can know whether transwomen can know what being a ciswoman feels like?

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

OCT 29, 2010 04:13 AM

ElizaTheTroll said:

_Elichrusos said:

Evercunt said:
I'm sure you're right. I think it's tough because the hormone therapy that TGs take can cause a lot of emotional upheaval and unfamiliar feelings that might make them think they get what it's like to live in a female body. And maybe the mood issues are similar, but it's not the same.


Is that your medical opinion?

Maybe it's not a great idea to speak with such authority about what is and isn't on something you don't really know anything about.



Wait, I'm slightly confused now. Are you saying that transwomen are inherently better at knowing what being a ciswomen feels like than ciswomen are at knowing what being a transwoman feels like, or are you saying that we can't know whether ciswomen can know whether transwomen can know what being a ciswoman feels like?



I'm objecting to some lady saying that she knows with great authority that there exists one universal physiological experience of womanhood that all women experience, because no woman has a divergent or other experience, and that she knows unequivocally that the physiological experience of a trans women is not like this.

Both premises are preposterous.

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