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Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

MAR 26, 2007 09:04 AM

edith said:
but it seems to me lots of models aren't posting on this website to sexually arouse anyone either.



Yeah, but in the context of this website, people ARE going to get sexually aroused by the photos, and any model who thinks otherwise is fooling herself.

Again, that doesn't mean we should expect to hear about people's arousal in graphic detail: it's common courtesy not to leave creepy messages to people just because you happened to get turned on by their pictures. But the fact still remains that people ARE going to jerk it to every single model here, no matter what her intent was when she posed for the pictures.

ElizaTheTroll

ElizaTheTroll

Australia
January 2006

MAR 26, 2007 11:53 AM

Morgan said:
But the fact still remains that people ARE going to jerk it to every single model here, no matter what her intent was when she posed for the pictures.



Hmm, that is certainly true. But then again I'm quite certain many people will jerk to the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue or even the Victoria's Secret catalog. Now I'm not completely sure about the former, but I don't think the latter is created with the main intention of providing jerk off material.

Getting away from the pesky question of intent, it's fairly safe though to assume that the majority of paying members of this website are indeed paying their fees with the intention of wanking to pictures of hot, not-so-mainstream chicks. In that sense (and assuming the above is true), SG is indeed clearly a porn-site insofar as its economic success is founded on being a provider of jerk-off material.

SlimStaple

SlimStaple

Downers Grove, IL
February 2007

MAR 26, 2007 03:00 PM

opinions are like assholes

everyones got one

but people generally are only interested in their own

poptard

poptard

United Kingdom
November 2003

MAR 26, 2007 03:20 PM

boreing

this has been going on for years, 50 years ago men got playboy and pretended it was for the articals,

some women don't like there men watching porn,
some women do,
some don't care
some men don't like porn
some do
isome men dont like there women looking at porn

SHOCK HORROR!
some arguments never go away

whatever

Drake

Drake

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAR 26, 2007 03:58 PM

SlimStaple said:
...but people generally are only interested in their own



So true!

Drake

Drake

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAR 26, 2007 04:00 PM

st_even said:
Instead of trying aimlessly to arbitrarily separate porn from "modeling," I suggest that we instead completely reverse our societal attitudes about pornography. Come on people. This thread went from "is porn in relationships OK?" to a discussion about the definition of porn. If we get over how "shocking" or "degrading" porn is, we can answer the question, which, by the way, is a yes. Especially if the porn-viewer has some sexual kink that in no way would his/her partner ever participate in.

Fantasy is the most powerful sexual tool we have, people. It is the first measure of control. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.



I agree, but that would be WAY easier if more people made porn that was better and less frickin' stupid.

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

Chico, CA
December 2005

MAR 26, 2007 04:14 PM

If i have a girl, I don't need porn. I barely need it when i'm not in a relationship, but it's completely unnecessary when I have a girl.

vagabondage

vagabondage

Lincoln, NE
October 2006

MAR 26, 2007 06:11 PM

We've watched it both togeher and seperately since pretty much day one, and it's never come close to posing a problem. If anything, it's been cool as shit and made us more open to trying new things with each other. It's a great way to introduce something you may not know how to bring up in conversation, but that you've maybe been wanting to do with your partner. Knowing he's stroking it to porn definitely beats thinking he might be pounding someone other than me with it. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it's never been an issue and I can't imagine that it ever would be, in my case...

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

MAR 26, 2007 06:21 PM

Drake said:
I agree, but that would be WAY easier if more people made porn that was better and less frickin' stupid.


[cynic]That applies to everything, not just porn.[/cynic]
But really, porn might be grotesque and it might be totally unrealistic, but I can't say that the average porn movie surpasses the average horror movie in either of those categories.

Saraphine

Saraphine

SUICIDEGIRL

Pennsylvania, USA

MAR 26, 2007 06:29 PM

apesamongus said:

Drake said:
I agree, but that would be WAY easier if more people made porn that was better and less frickin' stupid.


[cynic]That applies to everything, not just porn.[/cynic]
But really, porn might be grotesque and it might be totally unrealistic, but I can't say that the average porn movie surpasses the average horror movie in either of those categories.



Easy-- horror movies are hilarious and induce fear. Or they have amazing noir lighting. Or they have brilliant plots. OR they are actually bone-chillingly terrifying. Porn-- not.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 26, 2007 06:34 PM

Saraphine said:

apesamongus said:

Drake said:
I agree, but that would be WAY easier if more people made porn that was better and less frickin' stupid.


[cynic]That applies to everything, not just porn.[/cynic]
But really, porn might be grotesque and it might be totally unrealistic, but I can't say that the average porn movie surpasses the average horror movie in either of those categories.



Easy-- horror movies are hilarious and induce fear. Or they have amazing noir lighting. Or they have brilliant plots. OR they are actually bone-chillingly terrifying. Porn-- not.



But, fundamentally, as with porn, they represent un-real fantasy scenarios.

That's the key connection.

SlimStaple

SlimStaple

Downers Grove, IL
February 2007

MAR 26, 2007 08:10 PM

good comparison with the horror movies

to some they enjoy watching people get killed and disemboweled... this is something not everyone would agree with and some people consider wrong others consider normal because its fake

the actions that go on in porn are in a sense the same... girls are acting... they are put in situations they may not normally be into... just for the point of making a movie and a dollar

i saw a thread on here about "dead girls" being attractive...

in no way shape or form do i find that appealing... somewhat disgusting in my head

its all how you look at it

and noones going to see the same thing as you

SlimStaple

SlimStaple

Downers Grove, IL
February 2007

MAR 26, 2007 08:11 PM

some consider any nudity offensive and degrading

others wait til the whips and chains are out

others not till stuf like shit and puking etc get involved

edith

edith

France
April 2006

MAR 26, 2007 10:11 PM

OlafTheTroll said:
it's fairly safe though to assume that the majority of paying members of this website are indeed paying their fees with the intention of wanking to pictures of hot, not-so-mainstream chicks




...but see, this is where this website is different.

i actually don't know if this is true. maybe "majority" is correct...but i have a feeling there are many paying members that don't wank it.

i've seen these discussions as well so i know for a fact there are many people (females at least, since this has come up in female only groups) who participate in the community aspect of this site heavily without masturbating to the pictures of girls. in fact lots of people on here barely look at the sets.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

MAR 26, 2007 10:15 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:

Saraphine said:

apesamongus said:

Drake said:
I agree, but that would be WAY easier if more people made porn that was better and less frickin' stupid.


[cynic]That applies to everything, not just porn.[/cynic]
But really, porn might be grotesque and it might be totally unrealistic, but I can't say that the average porn movie surpasses the average horror movie in either of those categories.



Easy-- horror movies are hilarious and induce fear. Or they have amazing noir lighting. Or they have brilliant plots. OR they are actually bone-chillingly terrifying. Porn-- not.



But, fundamentally, as with porn, they represent un-real fantasy scenarios.

That's the key connection.


Unreal situations AND vicarious thrills. Both involve shit that it's fun to escape to for a while but would likely be pretty unpleasant (or, at least, awkward) in reality.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

MAR 26, 2007 10:20 PM

edith said:
i actually don't know if this is true. maybe "majority" is correct...but i have a feeling there are many paying members that don't wank it.


I think you're horribly deluded about this. My guess would be that less than (probably significantly less than) 5% of paying members post on the boards or even know they exist. The vast, vast majority of members are not part of the "community" and don't interract with anyone on here in any way other than jacking off.

The people who barely look at the sets are a minority of the already small minority of people who are active in the site and have public profiles.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 26, 2007 10:26 PM

apesamongus said:

edith said:
i actually don't know if this is true. maybe "majority" is correct...but i have a feeling there are many paying members that don't wank it.


I think you're horribly deluded about this.


And, while I agree with you on the "silent majority" membership, I don't think it even matters.

There's no rule that says "If a majority of members spanks it to the pictures, it's porn; if only a minority, then not." That's just silly.

It's softcore alt-porn, while being many other things at the same time, and different people get very different things from it.

Hardly seems complicated to me.
confused

ElizaTheTroll

ElizaTheTroll

Australia
January 2006

MAR 26, 2007 10:47 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
It's softcore alt-porn, while being many other things at the same time, and different people get very different things from it.



Which is a pretty meaningless thing to say as you pointed out before that you don't have a definition of porn. biggrin

Drake

Drake

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAR 26, 2007 11:52 PM

apesamongus said:

Drake said:
I agree, but that would be WAY easier if more people made porn that was better and less frickin' stupid.


[cynic]That applies to everything, not just porn.[/cynic]
But really, porn might be grotesque and it might be totally unrealistic, but I can't say that the average porn movie surpasses the average horror movie in either of those categories.



And I love the escapist, fantasy element in porn. I don't think it's stupid because it's unrealistic, I think it's stupid because it's almost always done the same way with actors that always look and behave identically and it's kind of dull to me. I don't see any reason why a porno couldn't be beautifully filmed with an interesting story/setup and compelling cast. I wish Guillermo del Toro would make porn. frown

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 27, 2007 12:50 AM

OlafTheTroll said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
It's softcore alt-porn, while being many other things at the same time, and different people get very different things from it.



Which is a pretty meaningless thing to say as you pointed out before that you don't have a definition of porn. biggrin



Well, yeah, we don't have a clear-cut dividing line between porn and not-porn. I think the category "porn" is a pretty broad one, even when porn may also be "erotica" and "artsy" and whatever else.

Saraphine

Saraphine

SUICIDEGIRL

Pennsylvania, USA

MAR 27, 2007 02:30 AM

apesamongus said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

Saraphine said:

apesamongus said:

Drake said:
I agree, but that would be WAY easier if more people made porn that was better and less frickin' stupid.


[cynic]That applies to everything, not just porn.[/cynic]
But really, porn might be grotesque and it might be totally unrealistic, but I can't say that the average porn movie surpasses the average horror movie in either of those categories.



Easy-- horror movies are hilarious and induce fear. Or they have amazing noir lighting. Or they have brilliant plots. OR they are actually bone-chillingly terrifying. Porn-- not.



But, fundamentally, as with porn, they represent un-real fantasy scenarios.

That's the key connection.


Unreal situations AND vicarious thrills. Both involve shit that it's fun to escape to for a while but would likely be pretty unpleasant (or, at least, awkward) in reality.



So porn is like cartoons?

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAR 27, 2007 02:57 AM

Saraphine said:
So porn is like cartoons?



Can be. Other people play the role of the coyote flying off the clff so we don't have to. wink

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

MAR 27, 2007 02:59 AM

TheFuckOffKid said:

Saraphine said:
So porn is like cartoons?



Can be. Other people play the role of the coyote flying off the clff so we don't have to. wink



Meep Meep

or should I say...

NathanialBlood

NathanialBlood

United Kingdom
August 2006

MAR 27, 2007 03:05 AM

Drake said:

apesamongus said:

Drake said:
I agree, but that would be WAY easier if more people made porn that was better and less frickin' stupid.


[cynic]That applies to everything, not just porn.[/cynic]
But really, porn might be grotesque and it might be totally unrealistic, but I can't say that the average porn movie surpasses the average horror movie in either of those categories.



And I love the escapist, fantasy element in porn. I don't think it's stupid because it's unrealistic, I think it's stupid because it's almost always done the same way with actors that always look and behave identically and it's kind of dull to me. I don't see any reason why a porno couldn't be beautifully filmed with an interesting story/setup and compelling cast. I wish Guillermo del Toro would make porn. frown




You have now put the image of Hellboy naked into my head. I'm still not sure whether I should thank you for that.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

MAR 27, 2007 07:07 AM

Saraphine said:


Unreal situations AND vicarious thrills. Both involve shit that it's fun to escape to for a while but would likely be pretty unpleasant (or, at least, awkward) in reality.



So porn is like cartoons?


Sure, that works too.
"If that gun really blew up in that cat's face, it would kill him."
"If that penis really shot off in that woman's face, she wouldn't enjoy it that much"

Both statements are silly in their own way, as neither is supposed to represent reality.

"Kids might emulate the violence they see in cartoons and get themselves or their friends hurt."
"Men might get mistaken and misogonystic views of women from porn, leading to ..."

Again, much the same thing.

And, hell, you don't really complain about the quality of the acting and plots in a cartoon.

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