Love Vs. In Love

I honestly don't mean to sound bitchy when I say this, but I'm really not sure you're qualified to speak for "most women." And I don't know why what you said doesn't apply to men just as much, if in fact you believe that to be true.

LOVE

The Eskimos have
Many different words for snow.
There's so much of it.


(It's a haiku...)

Let me expound a little then...not meaning to sound bitchy myself.

With the exception of one woman I have known and have witnessed the ending of Lust from the outside or from inside the relationship, all those women (well over 100 concidering I've always had 10 to 1 more women friends than men) My statement holds true. So from my experiance being conservative in estimates, at roughly 99 out of 100 women experiance the loss of NRE in much the same way as a junky experiances withdrawl... some with lesser degrees of intensity than others but the core points are all present. And the one person in question that I didn't witness any withdrawl from, happened to be 1: psychotic 2: a sociopath 3: heavily medicated.

As for weather it applies with men, It applies to me personally at about a 3 on a ten scale... but I don't have nearly the sampling pool to drawn on for men as I've always had fewer male friends than female ones. But I would guess that it happens about half as stongly to men... though in the same proportions... men just don't always experiance NRE... whereas most women require it to have a relationship... Except for the ones who've learned better... though trial and error.

Now as to weather or not I'm qualified?

I've loved, cared for, supported, defended, endeavored to understand, saved the lives of, made love to, and just in general liked and am friends with more women than most women would ever dream about being that with. I've listened and held more crying women than a sexual abuse therapist.

So because I have a dick you question weather I am qualified to speak for women?

I'm sorry, but it's me who most women I know turn to when they can't, won't, are afraid to, speak for themselves. not their girl friends or their sisters, or their mothers.

I'm the one who they come to to figure out what is really behind what is bothering them, when they want to get past their past and move forward.

I'm not the one so called girl friend who calls them a tramp behind their back because they enjoy being eaten out or getting fucked in the ass, I'm the guy they go to for tips on how... or just to gloat to about their latest orgasmic experiance.

I've heard more girl talk than an entire beauty school.

Does that mean I know everything about all women? No hardly... and I'll leave it with a quote that I once endeavored to prove wrong, but quickly learned would forever hold true.

"What you don't know about women, will fill a shelf of books." City of Angels

Because you're one individual person, I question whether you're qualified to speak for any entire segment of the population.

But yes, because you're a male, I do question your qualifications to make these blanket assertions about life as a female, or about the needs or wants or thoughts or whatever of females overall. First, you can't apply blanket statements like that to "women" as though all women were the same. Two, you're not a woman, so you're a notable step removed from the experience of life as a woman--an experience which is not the same for all women, as Cairo mentioned. However, there are certain aspects of life in our present context and in our society that women experience differently from men, because we live in a society that has enforced a gender divide, and being that I'm a woman I've experienced things in a way that men have not, and vice versa.

What you said is tantamount to me saying, "I am qualified to attest to what it's like to be black; I've had TONS of black friends, and they've confided in me, and so I know what black people need/want/believe/etc." That would be a mistaken and insulting thing for me to say 1) because to imply that there's one unified "black experience" would be to reduce the experiences of a whole group of individuals into one generalized set of assumptions, and thus to erase any individuality whatsoever (and it would be doing so for the purpose of simplifying things for me, in my own thought processes, so that I could lump "black people" neatly into one category and simplify everything that way); and 2) because I'm not black and I couldn't possibly know what it feels like on the other side of a line between white people and black people that society has enforced for so long and in so many ways, and it would be arrogant and patronizing of me to claim to "understand" what "black people do/think/believe/need."

That's exactly what you just said about women.

People aren't defined entirely by their race or their gender (or by any number of other categorizations), but there are certain experiences that come with living in a situation in which there have been enforced divisions based on these categorizations, and it's not illogical to say that someone who has lived life on one side of such a division cannot know exactly what it's like to experience life on the other side of that division.

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Talk about hyjacking a thread... I can see why you think I sounded cocky. And if you assumed I meant to overrule your own oppinions on the matter then I have to say that that is all on you.

Obviously what I said struck the right note with someone. So maybe there is some credit to it for some women?

Didn't I mention that there was alot I didn't know about women?

So I'm sorry you assumed I meant to speak for every woman everywhere. I didn't intend for that to be the statement. At first I was speaking specifically for my girlfriend and I because we have already had that discussion at length... I know what her response is and since she's not a member I wanted to offer that to answer the original poster.

And let's be clear. At no time did I specify that what I said applies broadly to all women... that is entirely an assumption you jumped to on your own.

I clearly said that my oppinions/feelings were based souly off my own experiances. Which Automatically implies that it is subjective to my experiances and the experiances of the people I observed.

Really I'll be glad when this whole Neo-con and Machiavelli inspired strawman method of discrediting someone is put to rest.

Dude! You said "most women". Necia said she didn't think you could speak for "most women", nor why you should be separating women and men in your assertion anyway.

And then you got all high and mighty about how you know women and then started playing the victim completely out of nowhere.

If anyone is pulling out straw men here, it's you. Take a chill pill, back off and just realize that when you're a guy and you start saying stuff like "most women", people are going to raise their eyebrows regardless of what you're saying.

I'd say that anything that's Machiavelli inspired has some staying power. I think you're out of luck.

Neo-con Machiavelli what?

I'm out, dude. I responded to what you yourself said because I disagree with the assertions you're making, and you responded to nothing said either by me or Cairo or anyone else, save for your "struck the right note" jab implying that because I disagree with you, you must be right. So that's that, I suppose; there's not much else to be said.

Anyone who'd like to put the thread back on topic is more than welcome to do so. Sorry about the temporary detour.