NEWS: Mike Love Sues Brian Wilson Over Smile

You beat me to it. . .

Beat me to it.

Yeah...

No shit? Sonofabitch. The worst part is that in the draft, I changed the song example like five times, and ended up with that one. :-/

switch it to "help me Rhonda"?

Done.

no one argues about who made timeless music? a major conflict within the Beatles is that any song written by John or Paul was listed as "Lennon & McCartney", always in that order. in certain listings, there isn't space for that whole phrase, so it winds up just saying Lennon in the "writer" space, even if Paul was the one who wrote it. it's an ongoing battle. and many, many bands have argued over who has rights to what songs once they've split up.

I argue that the Beach Boys have made timeless tunes (evidence? the fact that on a public internet forum, so many of us are familiar with their music - 40 years later!), and that's why people are so interested in the outcome of this suit, and it's why we feel so strongly about what should take place.

And the music wans't out of date in the sixties. In fact, it was such a new sound that bands all over the country tried to emulate it, but couldn't write the melodies that Brian Wilson did. There's a reason that all the reunion tours of the Beach Boys have made so much money - they were really popular in the sixties (back when people had to have musical talent to make it big). How dare you compare the Beach Boys to all the image-over-substance pop we have these days? Their lyrics might not have been profound, but those tunes (and the harmonies) were something special. No bubblegum pop singer even writes music!

Truth is, as much as I do love many Beach Boys songs for that particular reason, I am not really that much of a Beach Boys fan. But two of Brian Wilson's solo albums, the first self titled one, and Orange Crate Art with Van Dyke Parks, send me straight to heaven on even the crappiest of days. Especially his first. Simply jaw dropping when I first heard it and remains so. Timeless tunes? Timeless fucking album.

So you're saying that "Good Vibrations" isn't one of the all time greatest pop songs and that that isn't an almost universally accepted fact?

Pet Sounds was declared the greatest album of all time a few years back, and I thought that was a screaming joke.

Until I actually sat down and listened to the whole thing, and really heard the incredibly lyrics, melodies, and the excellent use of the "wall of sound" that Wilson took from Spector.

If I am not Mistaken, Brian Wilson was most responsible for that album, as well as the song Good Vibrations, and most of the material that makes up SMiLe.

If Mike Love wants to lay claim to the disposable bubblegum pop of the early 1960s Beach Boys, he can have it.

I'll hold onto my opinion until I hear the voice of the one man who defines the Beach Boys for me:



John "Have Mercy" Stamos

wasn't uncle jesse more of an elvis fan?

He performed on Kokomo.
The Beach Boys were on the show a few times, too.

I would argue that their early stuff is "disposable bubblegum." Pet Sounds didn't come out of nowhere; the Beach Boys were building up to it for a long time. Songs like In My Room, Little Surfer Girl, and even the arrangement of I Get Around are testaments to Brian's (an the rest of the group's) amazing songwriting, as well as his connection to the subject matter of his songs. Evewn without Pet Sounds and SMiLE, Wilson would be regarded as a titan in the world of music.

Don't forget the little symphony of "California Girls". Personally, I love almost all the Beach Boys '60s stuff. Even the two or three albums after Brian went nuts and split were pretty decent.

Somebody bring up "The Wizard" so that I don't have to...

Horseshit. The Monkees were a manufactured hit-band who weren't even allowed to play on their own records. The Archies had a number one hit. Keep in mind that at the time, The Archies were characters on a TV cartoon based upon a comic book featuring such classic literary characters such as "Moose" and "Jughead."

Oh yeah, The Kinks had to have then-studio-musician Jimmy Page play guitar for them on their first hit "You Really Got Me."

The greatest change brought about in music in the sixties, was that instead of performers generally being seperate entities from songwriters, you sort of HAD to be a singer/songwriter after the Beatles changed that rule in everyone's mind. That's why your older singers oft use the old saw "Nobody writes good songs any more." They do write them, they just tended to record them and put out their own records.

That said, it's easier to make money by finding things that'll sell easily. You get someone with a marketable face who can sing well enough, and get someone else who can write hooky music/lyrics and success can almost be assured (and payola doesn't hurt either).

Singer/songwriters might get into a weird vibe for a few years. Outside of a few decent records, the bulk of the ex-Beatles releases have been crap since the breakup. Bob Dylan decides he's a born-again Christian before becoming an iconoclastic Jew again.

It's easier to cook up a manufactured personality with cute hair and poppy music (which you can shop around for).

As such, the awfulness of pop music isn't going anywhere. And it DID exist in the 1960s, whatever your idealism leads you to believe. The Rolling Stones and the Who were originally R&B cover bands. You know, white guys stealing black riffs/songs... remind you of the fifties?

sometimes things happen like this:

Mike Love: Hey Brian why don't you cut me in.

Brian Wilson: Ok ..oh wait even better, how about you sue me and we'll get all kinds of free media attention then we can settle on something for you.

Mike Love: Ok

Brian Wilson: Ok, but we'll have to quit golfing together on sundays untill things are settled.

Mike Love: Awww ..alright if we really have to...

Brian Wilson: OK?

Mike Love: Ok

Brian Wilson: Alright.

mike love needs to just shut the fuck up. calling his band the beach boys to begin with is a disgrace. the beach boys without a wilson brother in the band, is not the beach boys. fuck...al jardine isnt even in the band anymore. its not eh beach boys, its the fucking mike love band.

and you thought townshend and daltry (minus ox and moon) calling themselves the who was bad.

i don't believe the fucker is at it again

all the good beach boys die, and he lives on - it's fucking sad.

fucking die already, Love.

Sometimes things happen like this:

You: I don't know anything about the subject
You: Well, I'm going to post anyway!!
You: OK