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Cherie

Cherie

Providence, RI
October 2002

SEP 11, 2005 07:33 PM

WEST REVEALS RACIAL LINES IN SLANG USE

Hip-hop star Kanye West is advising his white counterparts that they can only use certain slang terms when they're out of style for black people.

The Jesus Walks rapper - who recently charged that US President George W Bush "doesn't care" about African Americans - believes that certain slang words should only be able to cross racial barriers when they're no longer in style for black people.

He says, "I think white people are allowed to say 'bling'. They are allowed to say old-school black slang, like 'hottie' and 'homie'.

"Actually, I do not think that (white people) are allowed to use slang until it is at least a year old. If you say a slang word too early, it's like you're trying to be black. So as long as the slang is a little played out, you're all good."

____________________________________________________________

Are you KIDDING me?! whatever

[Edited on Sep 11, 2005 by Cherie]

Cherie

Cherie

Providence, RI
October 2002

SEP 11, 2005 07:35 PM

Meh. I fucked up the thread title. Sorry. blackeyed

ragdoll96923

ragdoll96923

Southern Pines, NC
December 2004

SEP 11, 2005 07:36 PM

I don't know much about Kanye but from what I've seen my gathered assumpsions are that he's a total jackass.

robosagogo

robosagogo

State College, PA
September 2004

SEP 11, 2005 07:38 PM

Maybe he was just kidding?

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

SEP 11, 2005 07:38 PM

I'd like to know the context of this statement.

robosagogo

robosagogo

State College, PA
September 2004

SEP 11, 2005 07:42 PM

dkmfc said:
it sounds to me like he's the one that's racist.



Minorities can't be racists. whatever

porcelainheart

porcelainheart

Lafayette, LA
February 2004

SEP 11, 2005 07:48 PM

he should be boycotted.

Anton

Anton

Australia
September 2003

SEP 11, 2005 07:51 PM

It really sounds like he's joking to me.

crucifiedalien

crucifiedalien

I'm lost
February 2004

SEP 11, 2005 07:52 PM

porcelainheart said:
he should be boycotted.



here comes the book burning crowd.

robosagogo

robosagogo

State College, PA
September 2004

SEP 11, 2005 07:53 PM

dkmfc said:

robosagogo said:

dkmfc said:
it sounds to me like he's the one that's racist.



Minorities can't be racists. whatever


apparently you've never read anything by farrakhan.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/louisfarra206793.html



Who now?

Ozzy78

Ozzy78

Modesto, CA
November 2004

SEP 11, 2005 07:53 PM

He's just angry because his new cd is lame.

jewcy

jewcy

Brooklyn, NY
July 2004

SEP 11, 2005 07:54 PM

oh fuck. for real.

he's the only one that had the balls to say what we were all thinking on a fucking major television network. i think he's fucking awesome, and i don't really care enough about slang and it's proper uses to give a shit what he thinks it's proper uses really are.

porcelainheart

porcelainheart

Lafayette, LA
February 2004

SEP 11, 2005 08:00 PM

crucifiedalien said:

porcelainheart said:
he should be boycotted.



here comes the book burning crowd.



ugh.
yeah. i'm totally going to go out and buy his albums, step on them, throw them in the trash, light my garbage can on fire, call my radio stations and say STOP PLAYING HIS MUSIC.. etc. do whatever you want, but i'm tired of hearing this dude run his mouth.

it's obvious what was said was racist. why doesn't he just say, "hey, white folks! don't use my slang.. but go ahead and buy my album, even though it sucks."


jewcy

jewcy

Brooklyn, NY
July 2004

SEP 11, 2005 08:00 PM

dkmfc said:

robosagogo said:

dkmfc said:
it sounds to me like he's the one that's racist.



Minorities can't be racists. whatever


apparently you've never read anything by farrakhan.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/louisfarra206793.html




i'm really tired of people pulling one quote out of a whole lifetime of quotes. for real, he also said a lot of true things. put it in context next time, thanks.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

A brother who recognizes that we have shortcomings, we, in the struggle, have faults, and that he wanted to reconcile differences.

America will always side with those whom she can direct, give orders to and have those orders obeyed.

Anarchy may await America, due to the daily injustices suffered by the people.

And I hope that five years and 10 years from now, I'll be a better man, a more mature man, a wiser man, a more humble man and a more spirited man to serve the good of my people and the good of humanity.

As a result of that, America desires a moderate Islam; an Islam that America can control; an Islam that America can give direction to and give orders to its leaders.

Because as a youngster I longed to see the Black man free and I longed to see anyone stand up for us.

Because wherever I am today, I still owe it to God and I owe it to two men - the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X and of course, two very special women, my mother and my wife.

Black leadership has to recognize that principles more than speech, character more than a claim, is greater in advancing the cause of our liberation than what has transpired thus far.

But if I thought on it, I would like to be remembered as a brother who loved his people and did everything that I knew to fight for them, the liberation of our people.

But when I reintroduced the Nation of Islam, and began to host meetings in cities and thousands and thousands of people come out.

Could it be that my circle is largely black and that it is why I am influential in black circles but not in white circles?

Everything that I'm attempting to do is based on my understanding of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and what he wanted for his people.

However, those who have used those words use half the sentence to fit their purpose, which, of course, I believe is to discredit me and the new Nation of Islam that has come up around me.

I am hoping that in this year of the family we will go into our families and reconcile differences.

I don't think about my legacy, if indeed, I have one.

I don't think any person who goes through a life-threatening situation or a trial of a great magnitude comes out the same.

I loved Elijah Muhammad with a love that I can't adequately describe.

I think that ego-driven leaders will be a thing of the past because the masses are tired.

I think that rather than condemning Islam, Islam needs to be studied by those who are sincere.

I was never named in the early years as having anything to do with the assassination of Malcolm.

If someone has a difference with their mom, dad, their uncle, their cousin, their wife, their husband, children, with one another, go to that party and tell them why, give them a chance to acknowledge their wrong; give them a chance to confess it openly.

If we don't make earnest moves toward real solutions, then each day we move one day closer to revolution and anarchy in this country. This is the sad, and yet potentially joyous, state of America.

It appears that there is a genocidal plan against Black people.

Many of the Jews who owned the homes, the apartments in the black community, we considered them bloodsuckers because they took from our community and built their community but didn't offer anything back to our community.

Naturally, when one makes progressive steps, there may be some who see it as a betrayal of their goals and interests.

Not that I regret saying what I believed to be the truth, but I regret anything that I might have written or spoken that could have been used in a way to help to foster that atmosphere out of which came the loss of life of Brother Malcolm.

Our communities don't have peace because they are not safe; they are not secure.

Overall, the challenge of leadership is both moral and one of developing the characteristics that make us respected by one another.

Qaddafi is hated because he is the leader of a small country that is rich, but he uses his money to finance liberation struggles.

So, this war is against the Islam that the West does not control.

The Bush administration does not desire to see Islam practiced in its pristine purity.

The die is set and Malcolm will not escape for the foolish talk he spoke against his benefactor, such a man, is worthy of death, and it would have been so, were it not for Muhammad's confidence that God would give him the victory over the enemies.

The enemy knows if he allows that generation to live, America will be the Promised Land for the Black, the Brown and the Red.

The image of the black community is horrendous in the world. The image of black men in particular is that of a bestial, maniacal and savage group of persons.

The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man.

There is no one right now in my judgment that can unite the Black electorate in such a way to present our agenda to a nominee to have them forthrightly address our concerns.

There really can be no peace without justice. There can be no justice without truth. And there can be no truth, unless someone rises up to tell you the truth.

They call them terrorists, I call them freedom fighters.

They should regard me as what I am. I am a spiritual leader and teacher.

Unfortunately, the war has cost America greatly - politically - throughout the world.

We are all gifted, but we have to discover the gift, uncover the gift, nurture and develop the gift and use it for the Glory of God and for the liberation struggle of our people.

What President Bush did in his doctrine of preemptive strike and in his war in Afghanistan and in Iraq was to turn even his allies in Europe negatively toward America.

Without an advocate for the poor, without a new state of mind in America, the country lies on the brink of anarchy.

You must recognize that the way to get the good out of your brother and your sister is not to return evil for evil.



[Edited on Sep 11, 2005 by lorin]

ragdoll96923

ragdoll96923

Southern Pines, NC
December 2004

SEP 11, 2005 08:10 PM

lorin said:
he's the only one that had the balls to say what we were all thinking on a fucking major television network.



From what I saw he was defintely not expressing MY views. (on the whole bush sentiment etc..)
but I would love to hear more of what he has to say if you are so gungho about him.
No offense but the clip seemed like he was prompted to say something. If he was so adament about something why didn't he know what he was going to say let alone what the hell he was saying. Seems to me like he's just following what his friends/peeps/whatever are telling him to say. Like the whole diamonds are forever thing...






ragdoll96923

ragdoll96923

Southern Pines, NC
December 2004

SEP 11, 2005 08:12 PM

PRockGirlScout said:

robosagogo said:
Maybe he was just kidding?



I think you are right.




I hope so. but it doesnt seem that far out there considering the whole "bush" thing.
definitely not the most eloquently spoken person out there. tongue

jewcy

jewcy

Brooklyn, NY
July 2004

SEP 11, 2005 08:17 PM

Lyric said:

lorin said:
he's the only one that had the balls to say what we were all thinking on a fucking major television network.



From what I saw he was defintely not expressing MY views. (on the whole bush sentiment etc..)
but I would love to hear more of what he has to say if you are so gungho about him.
No offense but the clip seemed like he was prompted to say something. If he was so adament about something why didn't he know what he was going to say let alone what the hell he was saying. Seems to me like he's just following what his friends/peeps/whatever are telling him to say. Like the whole diamonds are forever thing...




well, i personally don't necessarily agree about the race issue, but it is a factor. i'd personally be more inclined to say that george bush doesn't care about poor people.

also, it seems like the only thing he was prompted to say was his script. you can watch that video and see how passionate he really is. i think he just had a hard time articulating himself because he was so pissed off. he also might've been afraid of reprisal which obviously was a legitimate concern since now we're reading negative articles from unknown authors with his words taken completely out of context.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

SEP 11, 2005 08:21 PM

lorin said:

Lyric said:

lorin said:
he's the only one that had the balls to say what we were all thinking on a fucking major television network.



From what I saw he was defintely not expressing MY views. (on the whole bush sentiment etc..)
but I would love to hear more of what he has to say if you are so gungho about him.
No offense but the clip seemed like he was prompted to say something. If he was so adament about something why didn't he know what he was going to say let alone what the hell he was saying. Seems to me like he's just following what his friends/peeps/whatever are telling him to say. Like the whole diamonds are forever thing...




well, i personally don't necessarily agree about the race issue, but it is a factor. i'd personally be more inclined to say that george bush doesn't care about poor people.

also, it seems like the only thing he was prompted to say was his script. you can watch that video and see how passionate he really is. i think he just had a hard time articulating himself because he was so pissed off. he also might've been afraid of reprisal which obviously was a legitimate concern since now we're reading negative articles from unknown authors with his words taken completely out of context.



Maybe he should have found a better place to express his views. Somewhere other than a charity telethon. He wasn't hired to rant about George Bush, he was hired to get people to donate money. Plus, I think he made Mike Myers shit himself.

jewcy

jewcy

Brooklyn, NY
July 2004

SEP 11, 2005 08:22 PM

dkmfc said:

lorin said:

dkmfc said:

robosagogo said:

dkmfc said:
it sounds to me like he's the one that's racist.



Minorities can't be racists. whatever


apparently you've never read anything by farrakhan.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/louisfarra206793.html




i'm really tired of people pulling one quote out of a whole lifetime of quotes. for real, he also said a lot of true things. put it in context next time, thanks.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

A brother who recognizes that we have shortcomings, we, in the struggle, have faults, and that he wanted to reconcile differences.

America will always side with those whom she can direct, give orders to and have those orders obeyed.

Anarchy may await America, due to the daily injustices suffered by the people.

And I hope that five years and 10 years from now, I'll be a better man, a more mature man, a wiser man, a more humble man and a more spirited man to serve the good of my people and the good of humanity.

As a result of that, America desires a moderate Islam; an Islam that America can control; an Islam that America can give direction to and give orders to its leaders.

Because as a youngster I longed to see the Black man free and I longed to see anyone stand up for us.

Because wherever I am today, I still owe it to God and I owe it to two men - the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X and of course, two very special women, my mother and my wife.

Black leadership has to recognize that principles more than speech, character more than a claim, is greater in advancing the cause of our liberation than what has transpired thus far.

But if I thought on it, I would like to be remembered as a brother who loved his people and did everything that I knew to fight for them, the liberation of our people.

But when I reintroduced the Nation of Islam, and began to host meetings in cities and thousands and thousands of people come out.

Could it be that my circle is largely black and that it is why I am influential in black circles but not in white circles?

Everything that I'm attempting to do is based on my understanding of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and what he wanted for his people.

However, those who have used those words use half the sentence to fit their purpose, which, of course, I believe is to discredit me and the new Nation of Islam that has come up around me.

I am hoping that in this year of the family we will go into our families and reconcile differences.

I don't think about my legacy, if indeed, I have one.

I don't think any person who goes through a life-threatening situation or a trial of a great magnitude comes out the same.

I loved Elijah Muhammad with a love that I can't adequately describe.

I think that ego-driven leaders will be a thing of the past because the masses are tired.

I think that rather than condemning Islam, Islam needs to be studied by those who are sincere.

I was never named in the early years as having anything to do with the assassination of Malcolm.

If someone has a difference with their mom, dad, their uncle, their cousin, their wife, their husband, children, with one another, go to that party and tell them why, give them a chance to acknowledge their wrong; give them a chance to confess it openly.

If we don't make earnest moves toward real solutions, then each day we move one day closer to revolution and anarchy in this country. This is the sad, and yet potentially joyous, state of America.

It appears that there is a genocidal plan against Black people.

Many of the Jews who owned the homes, the apartments in the black community, we considered them bloodsuckers because they took from our community and built their community but didn't offer anything back to our community.

Naturally, when one makes progressive steps, there may be some who see it as a betrayal of their goals and interests.

Not that I regret saying what I believed to be the truth, but I regret anything that I might have written or spoken that could have been used in a way to help to foster that atmosphere out of which came the loss of life of Brother Malcolm.

Our communities don't have peace because they are not safe; they are not secure.

Overall, the challenge of leadership is both moral and one of developing the characteristics that make us respected by one another.

Qaddafi is hated because he is the leader of a small country that is rich, but he uses his money to finance liberation struggles.

So, this war is against the Islam that the West does not control.

The Bush administration does not desire to see Islam practiced in its pristine purity.

The die is set and Malcolm will not escape for the foolish talk he spoke against his benefactor, such a man, is worthy of death, and it would have been so, were it not for Muhammad's confidence that God would give him the victory over the enemies.

The enemy knows if he allows that generation to live, America will be the Promised Land for the Black, the Brown and the Red.

The image of the black community is horrendous in the world. The image of black men in particular is that of a bestial, maniacal and savage group of persons.

The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man.

There is no one right now in my judgment that can unite the Black electorate in such a way to present our agenda to a nominee to have them forthrightly address our concerns.

There really can be no peace without justice. There can be no justice without truth. And there can be no truth, unless someone rises up to tell you the truth.

They call them terrorists, I call them freedom fighters.

They should regard me as what I am. I am a spiritual leader and teacher.

Unfortunately, the war has cost America greatly - politically - throughout the world.

We are all gifted, but we have to discover the gift, uncover the gift, nurture and develop the gift and use it for the Glory of God and for the liberation struggle of our people.

What President Bush did in his doctrine of preemptive strike and in his war in Afghanistan and in Iraq was to turn even his allies in Europe negatively toward America.

Without an advocate for the poor, without a new state of mind in America, the country lies on the brink of anarchy.

You must recognize that the way to get the good out of your brother and your sister is not to return evil for evil.



[Edited on Sep 11, 2005 by lorin]


right.
because regardless of when a man says that hitler was a good man, and repeatedly slanders jews....

the rest of what he says makes up for it.

he's not a racist.




apparently you misunderstood me.

i said, "put it in context next time." that means, don't just pull out one quote and call him a racist. i'm jewish and while i don't agree with his comment about hitlet being a good man, i can look past it and see other things he's said and acknowledge the truth in them.

jewcy

jewcy

Brooklyn, NY
July 2004

SEP 11, 2005 08:25 PM

MrStitches said:

lorin said:

Lyric said:

lorin said:
he's the only one that had the balls to say what we were all thinking on a fucking major television network.



From what I saw he was defintely not expressing MY views. (on the whole bush sentiment etc..)
but I would love to hear more of what he has to say if you are so gungho about him.
No offense but the clip seemed like he was prompted to say something. If he was so adament about something why didn't he know what he was going to say let alone what the hell he was saying. Seems to me like he's just following what his friends/peeps/whatever are telling him to say. Like the whole diamonds are forever thing...




well, i personally don't necessarily agree about the race issue, but it is a factor. i'd personally be more inclined to say that george bush doesn't care about poor people.

also, it seems like the only thing he was prompted to say was his script. you can watch that video and see how passionate he really is. i think he just had a hard time articulating himself because he was so pissed off. he also might've been afraid of reprisal which obviously was a legitimate concern since now we're reading negative articles from unknown authors with his words taken completely out of context.



Maybe he should have found a better place to express his views. Somewhere other than a charity telethon. He wasn't hired to rant about George Bush, he was hired to get people to donate money. Plus, I think he made Mike Myers shit himself.




anyone that makes mike myers shit himself has my vote. besides, if what he said made at least one person think about the racism inherent in modern america, i'm all for it. plus, given the nature of the media, i doubt he could've found a more far-reaching method for expressing unpopular views.

Cherie

Cherie

Providence, RI
October 2002

SEP 11, 2005 08:31 PM

I think black people have to wait a year, at least, to try and be as crazy as Tom Cruise.

desidia

desidia

Reunion
September 2002

SEP 11, 2005 08:32 PM

I hardly think this was something he intended to be chiseled into stone or put into his memoirs. We've all come up with retarded ideas that just drop from our mouths for the sake of conversation, whathaveyou.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

SEP 11, 2005 08:34 PM

I'm not surprised that an awkward sentence which could hurt his career suddenly appears without any context whatsoever on internet news sites after he criticized a Republican.

jewcy

jewcy

Brooklyn, NY
July 2004

SEP 11, 2005 08:36 PM

Keith said:
I'm not surprised that an awkward sentence which could hurt his career suddenly appears without any context whatsoever on internet news sites after he criticized a Republican.




don't you love how it's without an author?

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

SEP 11, 2005 08:37 PM

Republican Strategist #1 "Boy, that thing Kanye West said about Bush is bad. 'Bush doesn't care about black people'. It's all over the internet, and he's really popular with both black and white kids. They kind of respect him."

Republican Strategist #2 "Don't worry. He likes to run his mouth. Sooner or later he'll say something we can take out of context, put out there, and make everyone think he's a crazy person they shouldn't pay any attention to."

Tell me that didn't happen. I dare you.

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