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Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

FEB 09, 2005 08:15 AM

Following a campaign by activist coalition 'Stop Murder Music', dancehall reggae labels and promoters have made a verbal agreement to no longer release records with homophobic lyrics, or host concerts for offending artists.


"The reggae industry will work with the artists while still maintaining their freedom of speech and artistic freedom," explained reggae industry spokesman Glen Yearwood. "We'll advise them this is not the way forward in a civilised society."

"As a gesture of good faith, the Stop Murder Music coalition has agreed to suspend our aggressive campaigning,” explained Brett Lock of OutRage! who are part of the coalition. "The main players in the dancehall reggae industry will attempt to regulate the industry themselves to ensure that there aren't any violently homophobic or gay-bashing lyrics in the future.”

Outrage.org has an extensive guide to the history of homophobia in dancehall music.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

FEB 09, 2005 08:23 AM

To be more specific: Dancehall, not Reggae.

I don't see how they're going to stop concerts by people like Beenie Man, Bounty Killer, or Yellowman. These are some of the biggest artists in the genre.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

FEB 09, 2005 08:26 AM

Point_Blank said:
To be more specific: Dancehall, not Reggae.

I don't see how they're going to stop concerts by people like Beenie Man, Bounty Killer, or Yellowman. These are some of the biggest artists in the genre.



A.) Thanks. Corrected. smile

B.) Yeah. I think that's why this was a "verbal" agreement.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

FEB 09, 2005 08:33 AM

Keith said:

Point_Blank said:
To be more specific: Dancehall, not Reggae.

I don't see how they're going to stop concerts by people like Beenie Man, Bounty Killer, or Yellowman. These are some of the biggest artists in the genre.



A.) Thanks. Corrected. smile

B.) Yeah. I think that's why this was a "verbal" agreement.


A) Cool...it's weird that the NME article that is linked only mentions reggae and not dancehall. Makes me wonder if this "verbal" agreement was even made with the correct labels and promoters. Dancehall (in general) has been pretty unwilling to change, and homophobic lyrics have not really hurt their album sales at all.

SomeOneUK

SomeOneUK

United Kingdom
June 2004

FEB 09, 2005 08:41 AM

They stopped some in the UK. Visas were refused, and gigs were cancelled as the venues didn't want the hassle.

Although won't this just mean new artists 'hide' this side to their music - i.e. until they get involved with a big promoter there'll be no pressure to stop being a homophobe.

But it's a very, very good start. Well done Outrage. smile

Guardian article here explains more.

[Edited on Feb 09, 2005 4:42PM]

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

FEB 09, 2005 08:44 AM

From Outrage:

The SMM groups concluded the deal with a consortium of U.K. and U.S. reggae concert promoters and record labels. The promoters include major players like Jammins and Apollo Entertainment. The labels are VP Records, Greensleeves and Jetstar Records. These labels account for nearly all reggae music released worldwide.


Interesting. Although I think it's a pretty foul practice, and have thrown people out of a couple of my bands in the past for writing lyrics like this, I also think that some of the people who look at guys like Sizzla as leading an army of gay-bashers are the same people who think that gangster rappers are being serious. It's a metaphor that's derived from the unparalleled homophobia in Jamaican society as much as it comes from individual performers' prejudices.

[Edited on Feb 09, 2005 by aj]

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adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

FEB 09, 2005 08:46 AM

someoneUK said:
They stopped some in the UK. Visas were refused, and gigs were cancelled as the venues didn't want the hassle.

Although won't this just mean new artists 'hide' this side to their music - i.e. until they get involved with a big promoter there'll be no pressure to stop being a homophobe.

But it's a very, very good start. Well done Outrage. smile

Guardian article here explains more.

[Edited on Feb 09, 2005 4:42PM]


They denied Sizzla a visa, and he's one of the biggest, and they got Greensleeves, the biggest dancehall label in the world, to agree ot it. I think they're well past the starting point.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

FEB 09, 2005 08:50 AM

I think I get it.

The deal looks like this: The call to ban these artists (and the guardian article lists a bunch: the biggest artists in Dancehall, in fact) will be stopped, and the industry 'promises' to knock off the Homophobic lyrics. A step in the right direction, i guess. But isn't a homophobe a homophobe, even if he's not shouting it from the rooftops?
This has always been a weird issue for me; on the one hand a lot of these lyrics are amazingly offensive, but I hate to see free speech (no matter how much i dislike it) curtailed. Dancehall is great party music, but so much of it is tainted by this kind of shit that I can't really get into it.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

FEB 09, 2005 09:00 AM

I think that cutting down on representation of a homophobic viewpoint in dancehall will definitely change the public discourse about homophobia, especially in a place like Jamaica that has long fostered a relatively accepting environment for even the most vile homophobia. That said, there's no shortage of homophobic lyrics from the US or other places, and there's always been an easy solution to that: don't buy those assholes' records.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

FEB 09, 2005 09:02 AM

You know that some label or artist is going to totally backlash and become "the most homophobic toaster around!" He'll probably sell, too.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

FEB 09, 2005 09:07 AM

They could make stickers that look like the Souljazz reissues- 500% HOMOPHOBIC!!

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

FEB 09, 2005 09:14 AM

I didn't even know there were homophobic lyrics, but then, I can't understand a word they saypast I an' I.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

FEB 09, 2005 09:21 AM

TheIRisHBaSTarD said:
I didn't even know there were homophobic lyrics, but then, I can't understand a word they saypast I an' I.



Well some of the jamaican slang for "fag" is "chi chi men", "bugger man", "bingi man", "bow cat", "shitty", "shit-man", "batty-fuckers" or "battybwoys".

puke

Drago

Drago

Philadelphia, PA
January 2004

FEB 09, 2005 09:31 AM

Dancehall music has lyrics now?

marquisdivin

marquisdivin

Berkeley, CA
December 2004

FEB 09, 2005 09:32 AM

Keith said:
Following a campaign by activist coalition 'Stop Murder Music', reggae labels and promoters have made a verbal agreement to no longer release records with homophobic lyrics, or host concerts for offending artists



Am I being too much of a killjoy to announce my skepticism? I mean, nice gesture and all, but...ha! Like it's going to happen.

xcomptonx

xcomptonx

Boston, MA
January 2003

FEB 09, 2005 10:09 AM

Its a good step, but I can't imagine much is going to change as long as there is a market for stuff like this. Homophobia runs rampant in Jamaica and until public perception changes, DJs are going keep it up. Unlike the broader reggae genre, dancehall's market is largely in Jamaica and it reflects the attitudes of the Jamaican population (in general) or at least their tolerance of such attitudes. More non-Jamaican public awareness won't hurt since most people don't have a clue what they are saying and therefore don't realize what they are listening, too.

I'm a big reggae fan, but I'll never be able to get into dancehall until they cut the fucking slackness.

[Edited on Feb 09, 2005 12:13PM]

KMFCM

KMFCM

Peekskill, NY
September 2002

FEB 09, 2005 10:24 AM

actually, there is an actual reggae song against gay marriage
i don't know who sang it, but I did hear it the other night
"woman to man" or some shit


I agree that this won't do much
after all, on bob marley's birthday, they declared a "violence free day"
and like 4 peple got murdered that morning


oh, and I KNEW this would come up once dancehall started getting all huge again in the last year or so

[Edited on Feb 09, 2005 by KMFCM]

theseeman

theseeman

Asheville, NC
December 2002

FEB 09, 2005 10:29 AM

I think if labels are involved the power of the purse comes into play.

wolfwood

wolfwood

Madison, WI
March 2003

FEB 09, 2005 10:46 AM

Well, at least they're trying. Maybe they'll make some progress.

llouys

llouys

Brazil
August 2003

FEB 09, 2005 10:57 AM

Whoa, the lyrics on that site are just unbelievably crass and bigotted. I had heard about this kind of thing, but I had no idea it that blatant.

manual

manual

Canada
November 2004

FEB 09, 2005 11:15 AM

As much as I hate the homophobia in dancehall, I don't think groups like OutRage are on the right track.

For one thing, it's ridiculous to finger dancehall lyrics as inciting violence against gays. For the yardies, these beliefs come from the fact that Jamaica has the most churches per capita in the world, many of them the American imported, charismatic, fire and brimstone, type of churches.

And it is not necessarily against 'just' gays, its against sexual behaviour they deem as 'immoral' (as twisted and hypocritical as that can be). Sure, you'll hear songs about lighting gays on fire, but you'll also hear songs about a man having anal sex with a woman being a battybwai, fit for burning. There are songs by female artists talking about how they won't give or recieve oral sex, and a whole bunch of other acts they view as deviations.

It's interesting, because many Jamaican's actually view homosexuality as an 'import from Babylon'. Any DJ that caves into pressure from a group like Outrage (from Babylon), will instantly end his career. Beenie Man a few years ago tried to ease up on the homophobic lyrics, and found that to be a danger to his life and career.

The only way these DJ's can really promise to end these sort of lyrics is for them to retire. Dancehall simply cannot be exported without the respect and airplay it first gets in Jamaica.

I certainly don't agree with the homophobic message, but the right to hold unpopular beliefs needs to be upheld. Hate music NEEDS to be allowed to exist, because it is a slippery slope once unpopular ideas are 'banned', and this sort of thing fans the flames....



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adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

FEB 09, 2005 11:45 AM

manual said:
The only way these DJ's can really promise to end these sort of lyrics is for them to retire. Dancehall simply cannot be exported without the respect and airplay it first gets in Jamaica.

I certainly don't agree with the homophobic message, but the right to hold unpopular beliefs needs to be upheld. Hate music NEEDS to be allowed to exist, because it is a slippery slope once unpopular ideas are 'banned', and this sort of thing fans the flames....


Nobody is proposing a ban on homophobic lyrics. That would imply either governmental collusion or outright censorship. When the three biggest dancehall labels in the world agree to voluntarily discourage homophobic lyrics, we're dealing in the economics of homophobia as much as common cultural beliefs. Even though it may be condoned in Jamaica, there's nothing preventing any progressive-minded label owner with his or her eye on foreign sales from cutting the slackness from future releases.

As for the rest, I agree, homophobia is a culturally ingrained belief in Jamaica, but the small resistance to it from within Jamaica is evidence enough that it is neither universal nor in danger of being stamped out by marauding gay rights advocates. Homophobia will live in Jamaica for generations, even as the country moves towards greater secularization.

jason

jason

USA
August 2002

FEB 09, 2005 12:03 PM

what nonesense. i want homophobic artists to sing about it. that way i know who they are.

manual

manual

Canada
November 2004

FEB 09, 2005 12:05 PM

aj said:
Nobody is proposing a ban on homophobic lyrics. That would imply either governmental collusion or outright censorship. When the three biggest dancehall labels in the world agree to voluntarily discourage homophobic lyrics, we're dealing in the economics of homophobia as much as common cultural beliefs. Even though it may be condoned in Jamaica, there's nothing preventing any progressive-minded label owner with his or her eye on foreign sales from cutting the slackness from future releases.

As for the rest, I agree, homophobia is a culturally ingrained belief in Jamaica, but the small resistance to it from within Jamaica is evidence enough that it is neither universal nor in danger of being stamped out by marauding gay rights advocates. Homophobia will live in Jamaica for generations, even as the country moves towards greater secularization.



Yeah, foreign sales are the only way any of these DJ's can make a decent living. Last time I was in Jamaica, the only CD's I ever saw for sale were CDR's.

I've read some of the trials and tribulations of gays living in Jamaica, and I can't think of a worse place for someone to attempt to be openly gay in.

It's odd, because the stereotype of Jamaica and Jamaican's is that they are a warm and friendly people, which I largely agree with. However, it is not a place to be openly gay in, and not a place to visit during elections.

adjunct

adjunct

Philadelphia, PA
July 2002

FEB 09, 2005 02:19 PM

manual said:
I've read some of the trials and tribulations of gays living in Jamaica, and I can't think of a worse place for someone to attempt to be openly gay in.


Oh, there are others that are worse, but they're all in the Caribbean.

It's odd, because the stereotype of Jamaica and Jamaican's is that they are a warm and friendly people, which I largely agree with. However, it is not a place to be openly gay in, and not a place to visit during elections.


Coconuts and palm oil aren't much of a natural resource. Gotta bring in them tourist dollars, eh?

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