So green day are the "godfathers of punk rock" now

At least that's what they're saying in the ads for their new album. Personally, i think they make shitty music so maybe im biased, but "Godfathers of Punk Rock"? I don't think so.

Thank you, Mr. Christgau.

B+

They are the Godfathers of MTV Punk...

hahahaha, NO!

*gag*

green day rocks.

ha ha ha

they're no silverchair

agreed. I haven't seen that ad, and I REALLY doubt that they would put themselves out as the "Godfathers" of anything. Unless they were being ironical. In which case, I'd totally buy it.

Regardless, Green Day does, in fact, rock.

Oh.. god... help.. my sides hurt... I cant stop laughing...somebody give them a whack upside the head with the edge of a Ramones album.. please.... even New York Dolls vinyl will do... god..

I would have to disagree. I like Green Day, but Godfather’s of punk rock they are not.

seeing that the Billie Joe kept saying "this song goes to Jonny ramone" in the concert and they paid their tributes in the best way possible I DOUBT that they'll market themselves as grandfathers of rock.

Of course listening to greenday is too uncool for some of you guys so why argue


*plays holiday

Still, if the social content of punk rock is, in part, a big fucking NO to the shimmery tungsten cage of boredom that appears around us viz corporate transmutation of every border of daily life into some kind of slick product we are free to buy or not to buy, that is the (only) question, then Green Day can't really qualify, now can they? 'Cause try as I may, I just can't find that NO anywhere in what they do, in any serious way. Them things they say are now just part of the stylistic performance of the genre, and tough they seem not to be the astounding creeps one might find in Good Charlotte, they nonetheless share with that band an incapacity to engage at once the two elements that must be present and in drama with each other in a vital genre. Green Day, I am saying: not punk rock, just formalists.

But they're kind of good. I am not saying Green Day sucks. I like them. I like that song "Warning" a lot. Historically apt punk formalism can be a blast, and historically apt disco formalist is good for dancing, and so on. This is not about what band does and doesn't suck. Nor is about calling out poseurs. (By the way, in the case of music, "poseur" is a contraction of "all sonic formalism, no social content.")

It's about genre.

--Sasha Frere Jones here.

. . . and all this time I've been referring to them as "the retarded younger brother of Punk." I guess I owe them an apology.

[Edited on Dec 14, 2004 by DiamondGeezer]

yeah...Lou Reed's got nothing on Green Day...

I think you think to much

I also think you're wrong. Punk Rock is more complicated than just saying "no" to corporate culture. Punk Rock is about saying no when people expect you to say yes. It's about being individuals and celebrating the basic things that matter as we live for the future. It's about challenging pre-concieved notions of what is "normal" and "OK". Which is why I shake my head every time people say "Green Day (or "insert band here") sold out! They're not Punk". Because the mere act of saying that is probably the most un-Punk Rock thing you can say.

I know, you're not bagging them for being who they are. And we can disagree as to whether they're punk or not. I'd argue they are, absolutely. But maybe that's because to me, they'll always be the band onstage at Gilman when I was a 13 year old kid who still liked Van Halen. To ME (and for a lot of people my age and younger), they were what opened me up to Punk. And that HAS to count for something, regardless of all of the shitty Good Charlottes and New Found Glorys that they spawned.

Godfather is a lame term. That means they'll inherit all of Punk Rock once the Ramones all die?

Not really. It just means that Green Day sponsored Punk at it's baptism.

Who knows. I didn't script the ad, thats what it sounded like to me.

It just means I can ask Billie Joe a favor on the day of his daughter's wedding and he can't refuse.

Yes, in fact. It's quite a big deal. Mike Dirnt and Tre Cool are in fact rubbing their hands together at this very moment, sinisterly trying to decide out how Tommy can be "disappeared" without anyone finding out. I've heard that Tim Armstrong has been hired to work up a timebomb...

(Get it? Get it? I slay me.)

Dude, you sound really smart. Do you write term papers for a living?

The slaughtering of a million babies can be heard over the foothills of japan.

This is a sad day.


Fuck you Green Day. But in hell!

Unfortunately, I sound very stupid. The quote above is from Sasha Frere-Jones.