Look, I do not think for one moment that this is a serious debte, this is more people just venting their pet hates in the music industry. In all seriousness 1349's Ravn said it best in the September issue of Metal Hammer UK:
"...you could argue that every band should disband, unless they're bringing something truely unique to music as a whole, the reason I formed 1349 was to make the music I liked rather than complain about the lack of it..."
not_jason said:
I was talking today about how it's possible for two right minded people to hold oposing views of a band, which is sort of consistant with what you were saying, however, I don't think anybody who defends Train can be considered to be in their right mind. And any context that supports Train as a quality act is not a context I will honor as valid.
You get into trouble when you say quality has anything to do with skill, not just because a lot of technically skilled artists suck, but because a lot of brilliant music is ridiculously simple. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that something like "Aeroplane Over the Sea" by Neutral Milk Hotel, to name an example, is an excelent album, but it's almost entirely strumming on open chords, mostly in G. I'd be willing to bet there's more musical variation on a Simple Plan album. The difference is that the latter sucks.
Good point! Sometimes virtuosity can be cool (John Coltrane, Eddie Van Halen), and sometimes I wonder if the guy should have used his dexterity to be a court stenographer, or something.
I do have an invalid defense for Train. I read an interview with the lead singer and he pretty blatantly said, "I love music, but I do this for those royalty checks." He frankly admitted that Train was a strictly commercial venture, with no aspirations to being 'art'. I thought his honesty was refreshing, so I don't give him a hard time.
My valid defense of them is that "Drops of Jupiter" and "Calling all Angels" are insanely catchy. If the Beatles had written them people would consider it genius.
If you read any interviews with the now deceased members of the Ramones, especially Johnny, they are furious about the fact that the Ramones were never a huge commercial success. He said in a Guitar Player interview, "We never wanted to be a cult, underground band. We wanted to be huge."
I'm gonna get a bunch of flack for this, but if you criticise Train, you probably got to criticize the Ramones, too.
Art, commerce, just something to do? What makes you legit? Discuss
StarBelliedBoy said:
Clearly somebody never heard of THEE Insane Clown Posse.
While I can't stand them, I always give the Insane Clown Posse a pass due to one of their interviews I read. The fat one explained how he's made enough money to never work again, and his mother won't either. And, and this was the kicker, you'll never have to listen to them unless you want to. They never get air play, you'll never hear them in stores. Unlike some other "musicians" I can think of who don't even have the good sense to rap about "fucking bee hives."
Quirky
Birmingham, AL
October 2005
NOV 13, 2005 03:34 AM