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AUG 31, 2003 12:15 AM
Oops. I missed the guitarist part. Proceed as follows.
[Edited on Aug 31, 2003 by Horyzon]
AUG 31, 2003 12:19 AM
i definitely would have left a few out, and changed the order around a bit, but i'd say they got pretty close.
AUG 31, 2003 12:24 AM
i have no major disagreements because all my top guys made it in the top ten (hendrix, page, clapton, santana).. the only one that kinda surprised me was jack white of the white stripes.. don't get me wrong he's good, but that high up???
-redcrayonkelly
AUG 31, 2003 12:25 AM
My first problem: where are the women on this list??
Okay, you've got Joan Jett, she's pretty good, but not the best female guitarist of all time. If you're going to add a token girl in there, where's Bonnie Raitt? Carrie Brownstein? Joni Mitchell?
Last year's list from another guitar magazine had no women on it. So there's two answers to the question: either the people who write these lists are sexist pigs, consciously or unconsciously, or there's some sort of... something at work that makes it more likely for a man to become famous as a guitar player.
I was thinking about this a while back, and what I decided was that, first: it's obvious that there's no mental or physical reason why a woman couldn't be as good as say, Jimi Hendrix. Some of the greatest players of other instruments, cello, violin, drums, bass, piano, etc, have been women. So what's up with the guitar?
I think there's something about the way a guitar has to be played in the "guitar hero" style, the kindof style that makes these lists, that most women are not attracted to. Men, I think, are driven by the need to outdo other men. Play faster and better and louder than other guys, even if it's a detriment to their songs. Mastering the guitar to the "guitar hero" level requires immense dedication and countless hours, so something has to be driving you to want to play like that. It's like a "bigger dick" contest, but with a musical phallus. Most great female players that I've heard seem to be striving to play in service of their songs, not to outdo everyone else.
Also, a lot of parents wouldn't consider it weird if their boy locked himself in his room 8 hours a day practicing his guitar, but if their daughter tried it they'd think something was odd. Which is sad.
[Edited on Aug 31, 2003 by Keith]

tarbaby
I'm lost
April 2003
AUG 31, 2003 12:43 AM
[Edited on Aug 31, 2003 by ava]
AUG 31, 2003 12:49 AM
Slash really should have been on there somewhere.
AUG 31, 2003 01:06 AM
there is a definite lack of women on the list. beth orton is as good as any of the new male guitarists. i think the female artists get recognized for their vocal talents more so than their instrumental abilities. however, you could bet that billie & ella would be at the top of the list if the category were changed to "100 GREATEST VOCALISTS OF ALL TIME" even if RS did the poll. and then the guys still have to compete with the likes of madonna, karen carpenter, aretha franklin, bjork, and the rest of the modern day divas. true, the guys would have ol blue eyes, but i think the ladies would dominate.
AUG 31, 2003 01:12 AM
What about the Motown guys - Robert White and Joe Messina?
Mojo Magazine - 100 Greatest Guitarists of all time - June 1996 Issue
Includes a signature track and main axe
Jimi Hendrix - Are you experienced, the whole album - 1967 - Fender Stratocaster
Steve Cropper - Green Onions - 1962 - Fender Telecaster
Peter Green - The supernatural (John Mayalls Hard rain) - 1967 - Gibson Les Paul
Keith Richards - Jumpin Jack Flash - 1968 - Fender Telecaster 1950s
Chuck Berry - Johnny B. Goode - 1958 - Gibson ES-350
Eric Clapton - Crossroads (Wheels of fire) 1968 - Custom Fender Stratocaster
Jimmy Page - In my time of dying (Physical Graffiti) - 1975 - Gibson Les Paul
T Bone Walker - Your my best poker hand (The Complete..) - 1946 - Gibson ES-150
Neil Young - Like a Hurricane (Decade) - 1977 - Gibson Les Paul
Richard Thompson - Cant Win (Watching The Dark) - 1988 - 1959 Fender Stratocaster
B.B. King - Sweet Little Angel - (Live at the Regal) - 1965 - Lucille Gibson Archtop
Jimmy Nolen - Papas got a brand new bag - (Any James Brown compilation) - 196? - Vox 335 copy.
Jeff Beck - Where were you? (Guitar shop) - 1989 - Fender Esquire
Stevie Ray Vaughn - Pride and Joy (Texas Flood) - 1989 - Fender Stratocaster
Pete Townshend - My Generation - 1965 - Rickenbacker
George Harrison - Something - 1969 - Rickenbacker 360 - 12
Robert Johnson - Come on in my kitchen (the complete recordings of..) - 1937 - Gibson L1
Charlie Christian - Solo Flight (Genius of electric guitar) - 1988 - Gibson ES-150
Guitar Slim - The things I used to do (The things I used to do) - 1953 - Telecaster
Johnny Ramone - Its alive (Whole album) 1979 - Mosrite Ventures
Eddie Van Halen - Eruption ( Van Halen) - 1978 - Custom Linn Ellsworth
Ry Cooder - Vigilante Man ( The Purple Valley) - 1972 - Customised Fender Stratocaster
Johnny Marr - The Queen is dead - 1986 - Fender Stratocaster
Hubert Sumlin - 300 pounds of joy (Single) - 1990 - Gibson Les Paul Gold Top
Curtis Mayfield - People get ready (Originals) - 1965 - Fender Stratocaster
James Burton - Its up to you (Ricky Nelsons All my best) - 1992 - Fender Telecaster
Elmore James - The sky is crying (The history of..) - 1990 - A cheap Kay
Frank Zappa - Watermelon in Easter hay (Joes Garage) - 1978 - Gibson SG
J Mascis - Freak Scene (Dinosaur Jrs Bug) - 1988 - 1963 Fender Jazzmaster
Buddy Guy - Five long Years (Damn right Ive got the blues) - 1991 - Fender Stratocaster
Freddie King - Have you ever loved a woman ( Texas Sensation) - 1960 - Les Paul Gold Top
The Edge - Bullet in the blue sky (Joshua Tree) 1987 - Gibson Explorer
Prince - I wanna be your lover (Prince) - 1979 - Cheap Telecaster Copy
Tom Verlaine - Marquee Moon (Televisions Marquee Moon) - 1977 - Fender Jazzmaster
Jerry Garcia - Dark Star (Live Dead) - 1969 - Irwin Custom
Sister Rosetta Tharpe - Thats all (Lucky Millinders Apollo Jump) - Gibson SG Custom
Eddie Cochran - My Way (Legendary Master series) - 1972 - Gretsch Chet Atkins
Roger McGuinn - Mr Tambourine man - 1965 - Rickenbacker 360 - 12
Duane Allman - Dreams (Allman Brothers Band) - 1970 - Gibson Les Paul
Link Wray - Rumble (The best of..) - 1994 - Danelectro Guitarlin
Robbie Robertson - Unfaithful Servant (Rock of ages) - 1972 - Fender Telecaster
Bert Jansch - Angie (Bert Jansch) - 1965 - Yamaha acoustic
Chet Atkins - Chinatown,My Chinatown (The RCA Years) - 1952 - Gretsch Chet Atkins
Hank Marvin - Sleepwalk (The Shadows) - 1961 - Fender Stratocaster
Robert Lockwood - Hard time getting Started (The Chess Box) - 1952 - Gibson L7
Scotty Moore - Thats all Right (Elviss The Sun Collection) - 1954 - Gibson Super 400
Eldon Shamblin - Faded Love (Bob Wills, Classic Western Swing) - 1950 - Gibson Super 400
Bo Diddley - Mumblin Guitar (Have Guitar will Travel) - 1959 - Square Gretsch
Lowell George - Fat man in the Bathtub ( Dixie Chicken) - 1973 - Fender Stratocaster
Ron Asheton - TV eye (The Stooges, Fun House) - 1970 - Fender Stratocaster
Robert Fripp - Sailors Tail (Islands) - 1971 - Ferandez Sustainer
David Gilmour - Shine on you crazy Diamond (Wish you were here) - 1975 - Fender Stratocaster
Mick Ronson - The width of a circle (The man who sold the world) - 1971 - Gibson Les Paul
Syd Barrett - Baby Lemonade (Barrett) - 1970 - Fender Telecaster
Bob Mould - Friend, You got to fall (Songs and Stories) - 1987 - Ibanez Rock n Roll Junior
Leo Nocentelli - Sophisticated Cissy (The Meters, Good old funky music) - 1990 - Fender Stratocaster
Nile Rodgers - Good Times (Chic, Risqué) - 1979 - Fender Stratocaster
Clarence White - Cuckoo Bird (Everly Brothers Single) - 1969 - Custom Fender Telecaster
Steve Jones - Bodies ( Never Mind the Bollocks ) - 1977 - Gibson Les Paul
Kurt Cobain - Serve the servants (In Utero) - 1993 - Fender Jaguar
Wayne Kramer - Looking at you ( Back in the USA) - 1970 - Fender Stratocaster
Les Paul - How high the moon (The Legend & the Legacy) - 1991 - Gretsch Chet Atkins
Eddie Taylor - Im Gonna Love You (J Reed & E Taylor, Ride em on down) - 1955 - Gibson ES-355
Ike Turner - Prancing ( Unissued track given away with Guitar Player Mag.) - 1959 - Fender Stratocaster
Dick Dale - Misirlou (The best of..) 1962 - Fender Stratocaster
Cliff Gallup - Crusin (Gene Vincent & the Blue caps, Guitar Player Mag. Giveaway) - 1991 - Gretsch Duo-jet
Lou Reed - I cant stand it (Velvet Underground, V.U.) - 1985 - Gretsch Country Gentleman
King Sunny Ade - Sunny Loni (Live live Juju) - 1988 - Fender Telecaster
Leo Kottke - Ojo (6 & 12 String Guitar) - 1969 - Taylor 12 string
Eddie Hazel - Maggot Brain (Funkadelic, Maggot Brain) - 1971 - Fender Stratocaster
Albert King - Blues Power (Live wire/Blues power) - 1969 - Gibson Flying V
Carlos Santana - Sampa Pa Ti (Abraxis) - 1970 - Yamaha SG 2000
Merle Travis - Merles Boogie (Capital Classics) - 1948 - Custom Merle Travis/Paul Bigsby
Wes Montgomery - Montgomeryland Funk Chase (Far Wes, Pacific Jazz) - 1959 - Gibson L5
Billy Gibbons - Nasty Dogs & Funky Kings (ZZ Top, Fantango!) - 1975 - Gibson Les Paul
Peter Tosh - Get up, Stand up (The Wailers, Burnin) - 1973 - Gibson Les Paul Sp.
Joni Mitchell - Coyote (Hejira) - 1976 - Martin D-45
Mike Bloomfield - East West (The Butterfield blues band, East - West) - 1966 - Gibson Les Paul
Zoot Horn Rollo - Big eyed beans from Venus (Cpt. Beefheart, Clear Spot) - 1972 - Danelectro
Angus Young - Up To My Neck In You (AC/DC) - 1981 - Gibson SG
Mark Knopfler - You and your friend (Dire Straits, On every street) - 1991 - Fender Stratocaster
Bernard Butler - How about you (The Sound of McAlmont & Butler) - 1995 - Gibson ES-355
Charley Patton - A spoonful blues (Founder of the delta blues) - - Stella
John McLaughlin - Dream (Mahavishnu Orchestra, Between Nothingness & Eternity) - 1973 - Rex Double neck Gibson
Carl Perkins - Matchbox (Carl Perkins) - 1957 - Gibson ES-5 switchmaster
James Williamson - Search & Destroy (The Stooges, Raw Power) - 1973 - Les Paul custom
Rory Gallagher - Shadow Play (Stage Struck) - 1980 - Fender Stratocaster
Ernie Isley - Summer Breeze (Isley Brothers, 3+3) - 1973 - Fender Stratocaster
John McGeogh - Spellbound (Siouxsie & the Banshees, Juju) - 1981 - Yamaha SG1000
Toni Iommi - Supernaut (Black Sabbath, Vol 4) - 1972 - Gibson SG Jr
Mark Ribot - 16 shells from a 30-Ought-6 (Tom Waits, Big Time) - 1988 - Fender Telecaster
Bonnie Raitt - Give it up or let me go (Give it up) - 1972 - National Resonator
Phil Manzanera - In every home a Heartache (Roxy Music, For your pleasure) - 1973 - Gibson Firebird
John Cipollina - The Fool (Quicksilver messenger service) - 1968 - Gibson SG
Mick Green - My Babe (Johnny Kid & The Pirates, Classic & Rare) - 1993 - Fender Telecaster
Jonny Greenwood - Just (Radiohead, The Bends) - 1995 - Fender Telecaster
John Squire - Shoot you Down (The Stone Roses) - 1989 - Gretsch Country Gentleman
John Fahey - When you wore a tulip (After the ball) - 1973 - Yamaha Acoustic
Marv Tarplin - Tracks of my tears (Smokey Robinson & the Miracles, Single) - 1970 - Gibson Les Paul Custom
Ritchie Blackmore - Highway Star (Deep Purple, Made in Japan) - 1972 - Fender Stratocaster
AUG 31, 2003 07:33 AM
i agree with keith and navig8r--
this list is mostly male, mostly white.
but let's face it-- that's the pantheon of rock in general.
there is a certain physicality (and also sexuality) inherent in playing an instrument that we as a culture associate as a male trait: the aggression, the cock-sure swagger.
it has nothing to do with technical ability, because women are physically able to play guitar, and able to play it well.
it's more about what we come to associate as a Guitarist with a capital "g".
there is a certain image we hold in our minds of what a "guitarist" is, and that image is not female.
guitar-playing is in the realm of techinical ability;
is this perceived as a male trait?
singing is more emotive;
is it seen as a particularly "female" trait?
aside from coachella, there weren't too many festivals that included women as more than an afterthought. even lollapalooza, which likes to think of itself as a progressive, forward-thinking festival, added the donnas as a seemingly-conciliatory gesture after the main line-up had been announced.
virgina woolf thinks that women writers need a room of their own. maybe female musicians need a stage of their own. i guess what bothers me is that we still need to have these distinctions, these indicators and qualifiers. but that's a rant for another day.
moving on past the gender issues, i don't agree with some of the ranking.
jack white in the upper eschalon surprises me,
but considering how all the music mags fawn all over him i'm not too shocked.
i guess i didn't get the memo that's the next musical messiah.
and even though he's become a bit of a barbie doll, where's dave navarro?
at least johnny marr was on the other list.
AUG 31, 2003 07:53 AM
don't forget the bass guitarist
Flea
Cliff Burns
Lemmy
lists are easy to compile, and amount to pretty much nothing.
that said I'd be pretty interested to see who you folks thought were the lyrisists most worth celebrateing,
let me start with a few-
biafra
McKaye
Morresy
Ignorant
Griffen
What say you?
leslyrix@aol.com
AUG 31, 2003 07:58 AM
why is jack white on the list. oh yeah because he "saved rock and roll" or something. give me a break!
AUG 31, 2003 07:59 AM
it better not have been in order of importance.
AUG 31, 2003 09:20 AM
i don't know how jack white saved rock and roll.
but somebody needs to save me because i'm really sick of seeing his pouty puss plastered all over the place.
the only time i see/hear him is when i am shopping at "the maul".
that says a lot about the future of rock and roll.
AUG 31, 2003 09:44 AM
ha, typical "safe" RS list...going with all the usual favs. what a bullshit list. fripp needs to be a hell of a lot higher. they also left off Michael Karoli, Tom Verlaine, Kevin Shields, as well as many others. BUT this type of list is what i expect from rolling stone so i'm not supprised.
*edit* i didn't notice Verlaine and Shields on the list, but they should be a lot higher than they are
[Edited on Aug 31, 2003 by Smux]
AUG 31, 2003 09:46 AM
that list is a big crock o' shit. i'd like to know how the hell they came up with those rankings. i mean seriously.... randy rhoads at 85 and kurt cobain at 12? get the fuck out of here. i had more technical skill than kurt when i was 13. and no steve vai? satriani? shit, even eric johnson? look at some of the ones towards the bottom of the list, and then they put jack white way up there? it's their opinion i guess, and my opinion is that rolling stone is the worst music magazine in publication.
AUG 31, 2003 10:44 AM
dinaofdoom said:
i don't know how jack white saved rock and roll.
but somebody needs to save me because i'm really sick of seeing his pouty puss plastered all over the place.
the only time i see/hear him is when i am shopping at "the maul".
that says a lot about the future of rock and roll.
yes and yes!!!
AUG 31, 2003 11:29 AM
I do love though how every time one of these lists comes out, there's someone who doesn't understand that "greatest" does not equal "most technically skilled". You'll see 'em, they're the ones who are complaing about Kurt Cobain and Johnny Ramone being on there, and going "Where's Steve Vai? Joe Satriani?". Etc. Greatest means most influential. That's why Hendrix always makes it to the top. He may not have been the most technically skilled guitarist of all time, but he is without a doubt the most influential.
AUG 31, 2003 12:58 PM
Keith said:
I do love though how every time one of these lists comes out, there's someone who doesn't understand that "greatest" does not equal "most technically skilled". You'll see 'em, they're the ones who are complaing about Kurt Cobain and Johnny Ramone being on there, and going "Where's Steve Vai? Joe Satriani?". Etc. Greatest means most influential. That's why Hendrix always makes it to the top. He may not have been the most technically skilled guitarist of all time, but he is without a doubt the most influential.
well, to some extent, sure. but hendrix was in fact very talented. not the best, but he did have some great chops. and as far as influential, i guarantee there are tons and tons of guitarists out there that were hugely influenced by satriani and vai. i mean, come on, kirk hammet studied with satriani when he was younger. how many guitarists out there heard satch ripping it up and instantly wanted to go out and practice practice practice until their fingers bled so they could play some kick ass solos like that? i know a lot who were like that. kurt cobain played the guitar, yes. but that was not his strong point, and therefore he should not be considered a great guitarist. songwriter? sure. but not guitarist.
AUG 31, 2003 01:07 PM
How could Tom Verlaine only be #56 and The Edge is #24? Even The Edge, himself, would tell you he cribbed his style off Verlaine. Also, how could John Frusciente make the top 20...OF ALL TIME!?! He hasn't even played on all the Chili Peppers albums. This list is a fucking joke.

tarbaby
I'm lost
April 2003
AUG 31, 2003 02:53 PM
Keith said:
Slash really should have been on there somewhere.
yay! i took out my comment because i thought people would think i was joking. but ya, slash for sure. i'm a big rick nielsen fan as well.....
AUG 31, 2003 03:20 PM
bigrock said:
well, to some extent, sure. but hendrix was in fact very talented. not the best, but he did have some great chops. and as far as influential, i guarantee there are tons and tons of guitarists out there that were hugely influenced by satriani and vai. i mean, come on, kirk hammet studied with satriani when he was younger. how many guitarists out there heard satch ripping it up and instantly wanted to go out and practice practice practice until their fingers bled so they could play some kick ass solos like that? i know a lot who were like that. kurt cobain played the guitar, yes. but that was not his strong point, and therefore he should not be considered a great guitarist. songwriter? sure. but not guitarist.
see, but for the last fifteen years, 9 out of 10 rock bands have been trying to play like Cobain, not Vai.
AUG 31, 2003 03:28 PM
Prince is not on that list for what reason??
AUG 31, 2003 03:34 PM
WaTed said:
Prince is not on that list for what reason??
Amen!
AUG 31, 2003 09:16 PM
Keith said:
see, but for the last fifteen years, 9 out of 10 rock bands have been trying to play like Cobain, not Vai.
yeah, and you see the quality of musicianship that populates the current rock scene.













Keith
Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002
AUG 31, 2003 12:13 AM