NEWS: Brand New Finally Announces A Release Date

Wow, I do believe you're right. By my calculations, Moneen's "There are a Million Reasons for Why this may Not Work... and Just One Good One for Why it Will" beats Fall Out Boy's "Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying (Do Your Part To Save The Scene And Stop Going To Shows)" by a mere three letters.

Pete Wentz, are you up for the CHALLENGE?

It's also a much better song and I'm pretty sure the boys from Moneen would destroy Fall Out Boy.

I watched Kenny from Moneen nearly behead a guitar tech for fun.

I'm pretty sure Sufjan Stevens could take them both quite handily

I will pass.

although I must ask, what's the deal with them always going on tour with Dashboard? maybe if they brought an opening band with them that I'd want to see I might go, but yeah.

damn. i was gonna go with defacto's "mitchell edwards klik enters a dreamlike state and it's fucking scandalous" but i guess that dog won't hunt.

as for my tastes in music, i prefer to go by quality rather than genre. the opposite of december and transistor are fabulous albums, without the gratuitous cornballery that fob and bn rely on for inspiration.

i mean, anyone can play four chords in a major scale and a simple ostenato over top, but a real musician can make melodies beyond that level and make something that doesn't sound exactly like every other band in the "scene."

atdi may be dead but they helped define the style that fob and bn now bastardize and ruin. that fact will remain regardless of some shitty band's popularity or trends in the music industry.

Huh? Have you even listened to the bands you're bitching about? They sound NOTHING like At the Drive In.

no, they don't. because atdi was a predecessor to the pop-punk meets emocore style that, as i already said,

since atdi were some of the first to be made "mainstremo" by the media, and fob and bn continue in that vein, the heredity, to me, is obvious.

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i typed the following double post but was unable to post it before freakpirate responded to my comment:

ps i think it's funny that my profile had to be searched for my musical tastes so they could be knocked in order to rebut my disrespect of osmeone's favorite shitty band in the world forever until mtv tells them the name of the next favorite shitty band.

not sure if that counts as an ad hominem, insulting my taste in music to rebut an argument not pertaining to my musical tastes.

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now, this thread-watching nonsense is old, i will stop posting and go feed my daughter now.

pps i remember seeing people insult someone's spelling or grammar in forums, seemingly due to an utter lack of a viable argument. i generally consider it a QED in my favor.

KIFFLOM!

Dude, here's the point -- ad hominem aside: it's fine not to like Brand New, but there are things much, MUCH worse. For me at least, it was the passion in your hatred that was the most startling. Say what you will, but Brand New are hardly the shittiest band even in the genre, let alone in the world.

Yellowcard. Never forget.

And again... Brand New and Fall Out Boy have zero in common with At the Drive In as far as music styles go. You're basing your entire argument on their perceived popularity. You sound ridiculous.

If I were to think about ATDI successors, bands like Cursive or Brazil would pop into my head long before Brand New.

Thursday? Maybe even the Blood Brothers? Still closer than Brand New.

Hell, even Coheed and Cambria. Brand New simply aren't grandiose and conceptual enough.

Exactly.

i never named them as successors, nor did i base my reasoning on popularity. however, atdi was not an indie rock band like cursive would be considered, although the progressive nature does lend them some vague ascendency to co&ca. not to mention the big hair and falsetto singing.

however, as not only the ad hom but also the insane repetition of a "point" without backing evidence, freakpirate is still wrong.

as follows:

atdi were not emo. emo is rites of spring and indian summer and city of caterpillar, chronologically. at the drive in was from a punk rock scene, howver evolved past the basic three-chord unoriginality that plagues punk rock today.

but i digress...

atdi were labeled as emo because the mainstream music industry needed a new "grunge" to feed to the masses, and they perceived (incorrectly) that post-punk bands like atdi and indie rock bands like sunny day real estate were somehow related to "emo" bands in the original sense of the term. however, neither sdre nor atdi were ex-hardcore bands whose sound had evolved past angry political rantings and frenetic three-chord punk. because THAT is the definition of emocore. based on the derogatory term given to harcore bands that evolved by hardcore kids who refused to do so.

coming around to the present...

the term "emo" still gets misused. a lot. from the hilarious (yet sold out to mtv) video parody claiming "emo sucks" before fob start to play to the notion that any band who playes the aforementioned weezer four-chord and the simple ostenato for a melody (i.e. the intro lead to "sugar we're goin' down") and call it good, bands are mislabeled.

for me, the connection between fob and brand new is that a) they suck, and b) they are both post punk music. they are derived from the punk rock music theory and they both use the ostenato trick for melody.

beside that, the connection to atdi is that they, too, are post punk music. they are based on a punk rock music theory but use more melodies than a simple ostenato (though they are prone tot hat as well) however, their lyrics go far beyond those of bn and fob which basically consist of somehting about a girl and a boy and probably not working out well together.

confused? let me recap. atdi are post punk. fob and bn are post (faux) punk. the post and the punk are in both columns.

as for thursday or blood brothers, i have no idea how they would relate, beside thursday coming from a diy scene, or both bands also being mislabeled as "emo" as well.



finally, as to my passionate distaste for bands like bn and fob, it comes down to this: i like what i consider to be good music. i dislike what i consider to be bad music. and both bands fall into the latter grouping. my problem stems from the sheer amount of terrible bands and crap songs being peddled by the recording insustry and the dearth of good ones being promoted in similar fashion.

it also stems from my extreme (and i do mean extreme) dislike for people whom i consider to be "ignorant" or even "stupid." ignorance of the history of the music we listen to, or ignorance of the notion that what we're so in love with musically is total shit compared to so much other music, pisses me off. stupidity manifesting in the rabid defense of said crap and ignorance pisses me off. so when it all comes together, you get a nation of rabidly stupid "emo" kids rabidly defending shitty music because they don't know or understand how much better music can be heard or seen away from fuse (which, while they tend to play better music, is still mtv in sheep's clothing), while good bands appreciated by informed, intelligent types is largely ignored. that is why i am so passionate about that. and the bad stereotypes associated with the aforementioned bands and fans.

besides, i refer to numerous tuesdays as black tuesdays. or black fridays or whatever. and with the exception of black tuesdays november 2000 and 2004, none of the black days i've used have been that bad.

if i've offended anyone by this rant, i do not apologize. sometimes the cage needs to be rattled and more often than not, i'm the one holding the stick.

now if anyone knows who said this without googling the lyric, much props.

We notice
We understand
We throw out all we can
We're on the market, we're up on racks
If we're really lucky we're coming back