Erh. I have a hard time calling any of these "old school" rap except maybe Whodini and Doug E. Fresh because, in the history of the genre, "Old School" doesn't just mean "old". Gangsta rap definitely doesn't qualify.
eightzeroone said:
Erh. I have a hard time calling any of these "old school" rap except maybe Whodini and Doug E. Fresh because, in the history of the genre, "Old School" doesn't just mean "old". Gangsta rap definitely doesn't qualify.
Yeah.
Sometimes people use "old school rap" to mean "rap, ten years old or more, that white hipster kids* can feel okay about listening to," kind of like how some people use "hip-hop" to mean "rap that I have decided isn't lame." But, seriously, Tribe? I love me some Tribe, but, erh, no.
*No offense intended to you white hipster kids out there.
New York New York/ the Message-- Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five
Paul Revere/ No sleep Til Brooklyn--Beastie Boys
Tricky--Run D.M.C
Kick It Live From 9-5---Sugar Hill Gang
Straight Outta Compton-N.W.A.
eightzeroone said:
Erh. I have a hard time calling any of these "old school" rap except maybe Whodini and Doug E. Fresh because, in the history of the genre, "Old School" doesn't just mean "old". Gangsta rap definitely doesn't qualify.
Yeah.
Sometimes people use "old school rap" to mean "rap, ten years old or more, that white hipster kids* can feel okay about listening to," kind of like how some people use "hip-hop" to mean "rap that I have decided isn't lame." But, seriously, Tribe? I love me some Tribe, but, erh, no.
*No offense intended to you white hipster kids out there.
Oh, and "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa.
here's how i break it down.... crude but to the point
pre run dmc
run dmc to public enemy
public enemy to hip hop
hip hop to present day
with that being said... my old school (pre run dmc) favorite 5
1. d ya like scratchin - malcom mcclaren and the world's famous supreme team
2. at the party - the treacherous three
3. it's nasty - grandmaster flash and the furious five
4. throughout your years - kurtis blow
5. hot hot summer day - the sugar hill gang
biz markie - just a friend
grandmaster flash and mele mel - white lines (don't do it)
rob base - it takes two
grandmaster flash - beat street
blondie - the rapture
F-R-E-S-H - Young Three MCs
Planet Rock - Afrika Bambatta
Set it off - Strafe
Rock Box - Run DMC
Grandmaster Flash and the Two Steel Wheels - Grandmaster Flash, Melle Mel, etc.
.... and lets toss in a
Real Roxanne - Roxanne Shante.
Flux said:
Oh, and "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa.
Indeed.
madferit said:
here's how i break it down.... crude but to the point
pre run dmc
run dmc to public enemy
public enemy to hip hop
hip hop to present day
I'm interested in what you mean by "hip hop" being post-public enemy since the term originated in the early/mid 70s.
Flux said:
Oh, and "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa.
Indeed.
madferit said:
here's how i break it down.... crude but to the point
pre run dmc
run dmc to public enemy
public enemy to hip hop
hip hop to present day
I'm interested in what you mean by "hip hop" being post-public enemy since the term originated in the early/mid 70s.
Post public enemy means to me when it went from MCing to Dance music with breaks of woman singing ballads in the middle of the rap.
Flux said:
Oh, and "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa.
Indeed.
madferit said:
here's how i break it down.... crude but to the point
pre run dmc
run dmc to public enemy
public enemy to hip hop
hip hop to present day
I'm interested in what you mean by "hip hop" being post-public enemy since the term originated in the early/mid 70s.
i knew that would be trouble. what i meant was that back in the day rap was rapping or mc-ing and someone worked the turntables and there was break dancing and tagging and all the other styles and ideas that represented urban life in the bronx, queens etc. then, some years later, it seemed people felt they had to try to legitimize rap ( which in my opinion is legit on its own ). instead of letting it be part of a hip hop culture, they started calling rap hip hop. maybe it was to be more inclusive of other groups/artists who blurred the lines between r and b and rap or whatever but i have observed that what many people under 20 call hip hop is rap to me... that's why i used it to reflect post p.e. i for one, don't endorse blurring the lines between genres, which i know is narrow minded, but i like to keep the heritage of different genres by keeping them as separate as possible. that's not to that i disapprove of say, red hot chili peppers, because they are influenced by and try to blend funk, punk and whatever. that's fine. sorry for the rant... that's a whole other discussion....
Viva my man, i'm so detatched from rap now; i never listen to it anymore and i get really mixed feelings when i think back to the rap that i used to LOVE back in adolescence but i'll give this a try...
1) Freaks Come out at Night-WHODINI
2) Breakers in Space-(not rap, it's an old hip hop song,and unfortunately i don't know the artist)
3) Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos-PUBLIC ENEMY
4) Planet Rock-AFRIKA BAMBAATA & THE SOULSONIC FORCE
5) The "Transmississippi Rap" by Sheila E. on It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night-PRINCE (from the album Sign O' The Times) it's a very,very cool rap interlude in the song. Fellow Prince listeners will know what i'm talking about!
The Message by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five
Planet Rock by Afrika Bambataa
Night of the Living Baseheads by Public Enemy
You Be Illin by Run DMC
The Bridge is Over by KRS-One
NoFi said:
biz markie - just a friend
grandmaster flash and mele mel - white lines (don't do it)
rob base - it takes two
grandmaster flash - beat street
blondie - the rapture
+1.
But I also add Young MC's "Bust a Move" and Sugar Hill Gang's "Rapper's Delight."
Viva
Las Vegas, NV
August 2004
JUL 21, 2006 03:50 PM