NEWS: Just the Facts, Ma'am

CULTURE: Just the Facts, Ma'am

The two main posts linked below in all caps are not only worth reading, they're worth bookmarking, printing up on transfer paper, and ironing on t-shirts. Seriously.

CHECK IT:

Duh.

Honest to god, that right there should be the end of the fucking argument, people. Women abort pregnancies whether or not the Man "allows" them to, because women are in charge of pregnancies and we know if we can deal with another kid or not. Period. Either you believe that women who abort deserve to die, in which case you're "anti-abortion" (or "pro-life", or you don't, in which case you're "pro-choice".

Let's rename those groups to reflect the facts. The antis can be the "pro dead women" camp and the pros can be the "pro adequate medical care" camp.

Extra bonus kicker:

Again, duh. How does the "pro dead women" camp stack up on the question of contraception? Catholic Church--anti-contraception (hence, pro dead women). George Bush--anti-contraception = pro dead women. The National Right to Life--officially has no position on contraception but is anti-Planned Parenthood, anti-health-care reform and pro-criminalizing abortion = pro dead women. Feminists for Life--pro-criminalization, "no opinion" on birth control = pro dead women. Concerned Women for America--anti-birth control = pro dead women.

Try it. Google any so-called pro-life organization you want + "birth control" and find out if they support birth control or not. Is their anti-abortion prosition "prevent abortions" or is it "make abortions dangerous"?

And for extra bonus points, see what they have to say about Planned Parenthood, which does more to prevent abortion in this country than any other organnization.

Part two

As ONE MEDICAL STUDENT EXPLAINS, to his surprise.

Read the whole thing--he puts to rest a lot of the cliches about who uses Planned Parenthood ("They are sexually active, almost always with one, monogamous partner, and they do not want to get pregnant."), whether or not women who use Planned Parenthood are "responsible" ("my patients are more informed about their health and medicines than me"), and whether they're the exception or the norm ("Over 90% of women of childbearing age use some sort of contraception method").

And yes, they also provide safe abortions. Because doing so is a necessary part of women's reproductive health care, one that saves lives.

Like I said, this shit deserves to be printed on t-shirts. Hell, shouted from the rooftops.

Bitch_PhD dismisses anyone who doesn't support Planned Parenthood as a woman-hating asshole, even if they're a woman themselves.

More statistics (including image source) here.

I've said it once, I'll say it again: I love Planned Parenthood.
Seriously. I don't even know what else to say.

"there would be more abortions performed in this country if Planned Parenthood didn't exist"

I thought we already discussed this in the whole Aurora PPC story?

Anyway, "Pro dead women" seems a little extreme just as doctors who perform abortions are "baby killers".
I know some abortions are necessary to save the womans life and C-sections may not be available, but in the case of Planned Parenthood the key is planning, even though birth control is not always 100% effective.

While we're talking about Planned Parenthood...

Me too. The thing that gets me are the ones who don't think that birth control should be used or sex ed taught in school.
They are the Ned Flanders of the world.

people need to relax. everyone has their opinion. pro life has good reasons, pro choice has good reasons. both have negatives as well. it's what makes it such an interesting issue to discuss. but it's too bad people feel the need to be hateful about others who support the opposite side of the issue. that makes zero progress.

In all fairness, I don't think most pro-lifers are pro-dead-women-ers, I think they are anti-learning-about-anything-outside-their-admittedly-uninformed-point-of-view-ers (shut up, I made it up, ok?). If more people were more open to learning about the things they think they don't support, there would be more tolerance in the world.

Of course, that being said, there will always be boneheads who just can't admit when they are wrong. These people should just go live together on an island. We could film it and call it Survivor:Intolerance! It would probably be amusing to watch them hate on eachother.

im' usually not a big fan of the articles on this site, but i have to say, this was one of the best articles i've seen written anywhere.

when will these pro-life = pro dead women bastards realize that they should shut the hell up and let people go along with their lifes as everyone else does

see whenever i am behind a pro-life bumper sticker i just feel like ramming into the back of their car. repeatedly. but i guess that probably wouldn't help the situation.

nope, not a pro-lifer unless it comes to the idea that we shouldn't be killing people in other countries. i actually have a probably a different reason for being pro choice than the typical person. i just think that the earth is badly overpopulated and it is a great way to work on that without using other methods. i don't mind if anyone protests wherever they choose.....it's when things get violent that it concerns me. otherwise.......who cares? that's the point, people should be able to discuss the issue in a constructive way without getting hateful and insulting.

And while we're at it... there was a pro life rally,protest a little bit ago near me.
Now the kids were with parents in there early teens, maybe not even, holding signs with the standard slogans.
I'm thinking these are the same kids not allowed to learn about sex or are told that porn is dirty, it is a little but I digress, but they've got them indoctrinated into a belief that they don't even really understand.

Thanks for the post. This is the kind of information that needs to be spread far and wide.

On a personal note....

I consider myself to be a Republican. I am also militantly Pro-Choice.

A fellow Republican told me that I could not consider myself as such if I was Pro-Choice (or Pro-Adequate Healthcare for Women - a label I think is great).

A few days later I was informed by a co-worker, who is a Democrat, that I could not consider myself to be Pro-Choice if I also consider myself to be a Republican.

So, for both camps, let me say this:

The Republican Party best represents the majority of my interests but it does not represent ALL of my interests (for example, I am also militantly opposed to marriage being legally defined as an institution that can only exist between a man and a woman - if two people love each other they ought to be able to get married, regardless of gender....but I digress...).

So, I choose to be a Republican and fight within the party to change those aspects of the platform with which I disagree.

The saddest thing I have ever seen was a woman who struggled with getting an abortion after she was diagnosed with cancer during her first trimester. She struggled because she was a Christian who had fought to criminalize abortion her entire adult life and was convinced that God was going to send her straight to hell if she did what made the most medical sense - for her and the baby.

actually.....let me give an example of what i'm talking about. there are a lot of great news articles on this site. stuff that often isn't published by mainstream media. so, like most on this site, i am a liberal who agrees with the majority of sg writers opinions. and of course, like most people, i have some conservative friends who probably don't get much exposure to alternative press. the problem is, as much as i would like to pass the articles along to them, the articles are frequently filled with profanity and hatred....strangely enough often calling others closed-minded in the process, and basically i would be embarrassed to pass them along. so the articles don't even make it to the people who really need to hear about the issues! it's a bloody shame!

I agree 100% and have been trying to make that very argument to those that post regularly on this site. There are a lot of valid points and interesting points of view posted on this site that are diluted by the filthy language, hatred, and name calling.

abortion is a bad word here, sinful and dangerous

Hey, give Flanders some credit - he did marry a hooker.

As odd as that sounds on the face of it, so many things in politics are counterintuitive, so I actually believe it.

Like it or not, sometimes abortion is medically necessary ("medically" includes the mental health of victims of sex crimes). Pro-lifers claim to be "compassionate" people who want to protect the lives of the unborn... but tying it up with 19th century notions of sexual morality and opposition to birth control is absurd and makes it about controlling other people's sexuality instead of about compassion. If protecting the unborn were really all it's about, they'd be pro-contraception - since the never-conceived can't join the ranks of the unborn to begin with - and pro-women's health (since women with healthier reproductive systems will obviously have healthier babies).
And can someone please tell me where the Bible even mentions abortion? Kthnx.
I seldom think about Planned Parenthood, which means maybe I take them for granted. But when I drive by their office 12 miles up the road, I'm kinda glad they're there.