Postmaster said:
Sorry, but some neo nazi asshole quoting Hitler in order to say that yes, fascism is cool, and some thoughtful student using the same quote to say that, "holy shit, wake up people..." is not the same thing.
Yeah, but how are you going to tell the difference when it's just there in a yearbook with no context? That's like me posting a thread that says, "GAY MEN SUCK!" and then when I get flamed for it saying, "What? By and large, gay men engage in fellatio. You guys are so judgmental!"
For all someone could glean from a yearbook quote, maybe the "big lie" kid was referring to an international conspiracy controlled by the ZOG through the Freemasons. Or maybe he was referring to the lies of tyranical dictators. Who would be able to tell in the context of a school yearbook quote page? And the other quote, the one about strength lying in attack... well, that one is even more open to negative interpretations. It's certainly been the motto of Bush since 9/11.
So clearly they are making people think about foreign policy and fascism. Too bad they couldn't find a Jesus quote to say it.
So you would agree that if I made the "GAY MEN SUCK!" topic, all I would be doing would be making people think about sexuality in America and gender theory, right?
clovsaid:
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So you would agree that if I made the "GAY MEN SUCK!" topic, all I would be doing would be making people think about sexuality in America and gender theory, right?
No, but I don't think your comparison is really valid.
Fascism and our foreign policy is a timely, important issue; "gay men are inferior" and "gay men engage in fellatio" are not.
...I agree quoting Hitler is one thing ;but putting it in a yearbook is just well.... weird pointless and unusual. Its open if you are engaging in political masturbation about leaders and such. Discussing Mein Kampf and using quotes from Hitler to make points should be open in school though;lets face it people are attracted to the sociopathic personalities of our times and sometimes what they had to say was quite interesting.We forget that Hitler was a human being despite his view on politics and race.Its easy to lump it all together and say its evil; but to these men it was a resolute belief and way of life. And the German people bought it and accepted it.Which is why its all the more interesting when the lie quote is read because It really shows how his manipulative snake like political tactics worked as well how our own leaders use the same devices upon us.Now if one were to show the similarities of politics today in this country as to the ones in Germany back then; it would surely get them fired from a teaching position. there is a great Herman Goering quote which practically mirrors that of what is going on in this country right now. - "Naturally the common people donT want war;neither in Russia,nor in england,nor in America,nor in Germany.That is understood.But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine policy,and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,whether it is a democracy,or a fascist dictatorship,or a parliament,or a communist dictatorship.Voice or no voice,the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country " ...........
I think there is a simple question to ask in these kinds of cases. Was anyone harmed by the quotes? No? Just words that are unable to do any real damage? Then who gives a fuck? If you are offended by it, tough titty. It's a yearbook not a constitutional amendment.
If the quotes were unattributed, but later discovered to be from Hitler's book, then there shouldn't be an issue. If they were attributed, then those in charge are to blame.
I think it´s ok to quote anyone you want, long as the quote itself isn´t offensive. And you don´t have that mustache..
A fitting yearbook quote would be: obstacles do not exist to be surrendered to, but only to be broken
That´s also from Mein Kampf.
The enormous difference between the tasks of the theoretician and the politician is also the reason why a union of both in one person is almost never found
The second really decisive question was this: To whom should propaganda be addressed? To the scientifically trained intelligentsia or to the less educated masses?
It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses.
But if, as in propaganda for sticking out a war, the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be exerted in this direction
I wonder if there would have been as much of an uproar if they had quoted Francois Duvalier. By this I mean I wonder how many people know other genocidal/homicidal leaders. If they had truly wanted to be smarmy they could have gone for some of the Sub-Saharan dictators or the Carribean iron fists.
The quotes themselves can provoke some thought but since they are from the touchstone of controversy and someone no one exactly right in the head would ever admire (Adolf Hilter) using those quotes in a simple year book is almost assuredly just a ploy for attention.
Cigarette
Cleveland, OH
April 2004
JUN 16, 2006 01:52 PM