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CaliReject

CaliReject

USA
July 2005

MAY 14, 2006 10:01 PM

ICD9 said:
What doesn't amaze me at all is that the fucking rednecks STILL haven't let this go.



I almost take offense to this. I am a redneck, and proud of it.

But I let it go almost immediately. At the time, I thought it actually pretty funny. I couldn't believe (still can't now) that anyone would make statement like that to a fan base that is historically very slow to forgive mistakes.

Next time you get a flat tire, thank a redneck, 'cause he'll be the once that stops and asks "Do you need any help?"

SocietysPliers

SocietysPliers

Ocala, FL
October 2004

MAY 14, 2006 10:17 PM

CaliReject said:
Regardless of who they are, or what they have to say, saying it onstage, at a concert isn't the way to go.

It's not a political rally, and it is not a anti-war rally, or any such thing. It is a place where people come, and pay to hear you play music, not vent your political frustrations.

Go home, right a letter to the editor, or start a web page. Natalie Maines is an ignorant fool, who shot herself in the foot, and is now causing herself and her band members money.

Lesson number one, never, EVER do anything to upset your meal ticket.

As a musician who cares about the World and its people, (Hell, just as member of the human race) I would be a poor excuse for a person if I didn't try to make a change in some way if I felt strongly about something. Granted, I wouldn't just say something usually, I write and sing about or play a cover song that fits, but music and feelings are intertwined so they will be mixed.

It's like a foot-in-the-mouth friend of mine who got mad at actors protesting the War and Schwarzenegger becoming Governor of CA and ranted about how "Actors have NO BUSINESS WHATEVER getting involved in politics.

He shut up quickly when I reminded him what a fierce Reaganite he was.

CaliReject

CaliReject

USA
July 2005

MAY 14, 2006 10:41 PM

SocietysPliers said:
I would be a poor excuse for a person if I didn't try to make a change in some way if I felt strongly about something. Granted, I wouldn't just say something usually, I write and sing about or play a cover song that fits, but music and feelings are intertwined so they will be mixed.



I agree with you. Write a song, play a song, etc. But please, don't stand up on stage and preach your political diatribe when I payed to hear you play your music.

psycho303

psycho303

Montreal, QC
February 2004

MAY 14, 2006 11:16 PM

i really wonder ( from a canadian pov)
what the fuss is this all about

that president of yours is a total fraud

we had our own problems here in canada
and we took care of the damn things
(we replaced the gov with a new one albeit not a better one ,but at least different one)

cant you guys wake up and do the same thing?

didnt clinton get destituted for having an affair with ms lewinsky ?

duh


there should be more artists that take a stand against that imperialist admin of yours..

maybe people would start to listen in ..

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

MAY 14, 2006 11:50 PM

CaliReject said:

SocietysPliers said:
I would be a poor excuse for a person if I didn't try to make a change in some way if I felt strongly about something. Granted, I wouldn't just say something usually, I write and sing about or play a cover song that fits, but music and feelings are intertwined so they will be mixed.



I agree with you. Write a song, play a song, etc. But please, don't stand up on stage and preach your political diatribe when I payed to hear you play your music.



Obviously not a fan of Bob Marley, the Rolling Stones, U2 and countless other musicians past and present that make political statements on stage, off stage, in a song, etc..

Of course Toby Keith is also making political statements however I find him disagreeable, so I simply don't listen to him. It is quite easy with musicians, don't like it, don't listen to it. I do agree with the Dixe Chicks assesment of him, with regards to him making country music seem ignorant.

I commend the Dixie Chicks for stating their views, and making an impact. If you have the ability to talk about an issue you believe in strongly to a large number of people all at once, more power to you. It is unfortunate that they wavered with the PETA ad. Unfortunate for the Dixie chicks that people who agree with their views aren't fans of their music. However, they're already wealthy, so what the hell?

I don't care for their music one way or the other, but I respect their right to do say what ever they want to.

Anton

Anton

Australia
September 2003

MAY 15, 2006 01:07 AM

CaliReject said:
Regardless of who they are, or what they have to say, saying it onstage, at a concert isn't the way to go.


It's their concert. They can do and say whatever the fuck they want.

chrisnail_and_i

chrisnail_and_i

Victoria, BC
December 2003

MAY 15, 2006 01:14 AM

CaliReject said:

SocietysPliers said:
I would be a poor excuse for a person if I didn't try to make a change in some way if I felt strongly about something. Granted, I wouldn't just say something usually, I write and sing about or play a cover song that fits, but music and feelings are intertwined so they will be mixed.



I agree with you. Write a song, play a song, etc. But please, don't stand up on stage and preach your political diatribe when I payed to hear you play your music.



They were addressing a crowd in England, who were likely thrilled to hear the Chicks anti-Bush sentiments.
What I really find funny is that you list The Clash among your favourite bands... confused surreal They are well known for being one of the most socialy/politicaly outspoken bands, ever! More often than not, the stage was where they delivered their clearest political opinions/statements. Ever listened to Know Your Rights? I have my doubts. Joe Strummer's hero Woody Guthrie was another musician who couldn't 'sit down and shut up'.

PaperDress

PaperDress

Rock Island, IL
December 2005

MAY 15, 2006 01:32 AM

Toby Keith says--- OH, WAIT! WHO GIVES A FUCK??? He's a stupid hick that doesn't know shit. "Hey, I reckin' I kin make munny offa sayin' I luv America! yeehaw!" Yeah, that's patriotism alright.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

MAY 15, 2006 02:43 AM

I dislike the Dixie Chicks if only for giving annoying drunk women the opportunity to screech through "Wide Open Spaces" at karaoke night.

zenFish

zenFish

Vancouver, BC
August 2004

MAY 15, 2006 02:53 AM

Cash said:
I dislike the Dixie Chicks if only for giving annoying drunk women the opportunity to screech through "Wide Open Spaces" at karaoke night.



i just avoid karake bars/nights

dufsmashXIII

dufsmashXIII

Eureka, IL
December 2005

MAY 15, 2006 09:59 AM

msupenguin said:
i saw green day after american idiot came out in grand rapids, mi. that show, obviously, was almost purely political. and it kicked ass. political statements and themes are sometimes what musicians are all about. eddie veder and pearl jam, the boys of system of a down, neil young, green day, and a ton of others interweave political statements into their music all the time.

i dont even think, in the case of the dixie chicks, that it was a terrible move. very bold, very honest. takes some backbone to upset the people that make you money. i think most musicans would rather be honest and never again make a dime if people dont agree than keep their mouths shut so they can continue to make money. if the dixie chicks fan base erodes, or just changes and they make a little less money, i bet they sleep just fine at night knowing that they were simply being who they are.


yes

pearldiver

pearldiver

San Antonio, TX
November 2005

MAY 15, 2006 10:28 AM

Gotta agree with Joker, I also find TK disagreeable. A bit of an understatement perhaps.
Like the TV Guide synopsis of Deliverance: Four Friends Go On Bad Camping Trip smile

I find the trouble a bit perplexing. I am from Texas, and what the DC's said is simply untrue. The Prez is not from Texas. His family are carpetbaggers, coming to Texas where we don't have a state income tax. Faux Texan, maybe.
Matter of opinion, I guess, that is mine.

I also read in Vanity Fair that Laura B.
insists that the "Crawford Ranch" be run on a "green" basis. Compare and contrast that to the gutting or environmental laws in the US.

In any case, DC's, keep stirring it up!

CaliReject

CaliReject

USA
July 2005

MAY 15, 2006 05:53 PM

chrisnail_and_i said:
They were addressing a crowd in England, who were likely thrilled to hear the Chicks anti-Bush sentiments.
What I really find funny is that you list The Clash among your favourite bands... confused surreal They are well known for being one of the most socialy/politicaly outspoken bands, ever! More often than not, the stage was where they delivered their clearest political opinions/statements. Ever listened to Know Your Rights? I have my doubts. Joe Strummer's hero Woody Guthrie was another musician who couldn't 'sit down and shut up'.



Well, I probably should have let this lie a while back, but I just can't.

I have absolutely no problem what-so-ever with what the DC's had to say. My entire point was where they said it. There are those of you who say that they can say whatever they want, it's 'their' concert. I have to disagree, and very politely. It's the fans concert. They pay for it, they support it, they go to it. If you want to use your celebrity to increase awareness towards a cause, go to a political rally or something. I go to a concert to be entertained, not preached to.

And yes, I know all about the Clash. Personally, I think of their music as more of a social statement than a political one. The difference here being, back when they were touring and playing live, I would have expected that from them on stage, because that is part of who they were.

The most brilliant political musician/artist I can think of is John Lennon. But IMO, while his music had socio/political undertones, he didn't 'preach' at his concerts.

I never said you should impeach your intergrity. There is just a time and a place for everything. Remember Sinead O'Conner?? She found this out the hard way. I tend to think her stunt hurt a career that could have exploded. The DCs may have very well done the same thing to themselves.

And for the record, I have never purchased a DC or TK album, I am just in this for the discussion. smile

[Edited on May 15, 2006 by CaliReject]

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

MAY 15, 2006 08:06 PM

pearldiver said:

I find the trouble a bit perplexing. I am from Texas, and what the DC's said is simply untrue. The Prez is not from Texas. His family are carpetbaggers, coming to Texas where we don't have a state income tax. Faux Texan, maybe.
Matter of opinion, I guess, that is mine.

I also read in Vanity Fair that Laura B.
insists that the "Crawford Ranch" be run on a "green" basis. Compare and contrast that to the gutting or environmental laws in the US.

In any case, DC's, keep stirring it up!


I'm not a Texan, but I find it perplexing too. The Bushes aren't from Texas anymore than I'm from AZ after living here for 6 months.

Attack_Macaque

Attack_Macaque

Mesquite, TX
September 2004

MAY 15, 2006 10:15 PM

Unlike the Dixie Chicks, I'm not ashamed that Bush is from Texas. I'm just ashamed that he's president of my country. But other than that, I concur with the sentiment. It's nice to see at least one group of artists who put their beliefs and integrity ahead of their pocketbooks.

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

MAY 15, 2006 11:13 PM

How pathetic do you have to be to send death threats to the Dixie Chicks. Now Scott Stapp, I could see doing that.

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