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leavemehere

leavemehere

San Diego, CA
December 2002

MAY 14, 2006 02:28 AM

Jayce said:

Hooraydiation said:
Shouldn't she be fearing for her life or her child's life or both? Pre-teen pregnancy sounds like it should be fatal.



Lets hope so.

Did that sound cruel? Ah well. Just as long as she instills the same morals and values she grew up on.



If that is sarcasm I did not catch it.
If that girl instills the same morals and values as she had growing up that kid will be smoking a pack a day by the time he/she is 5, and knocked up/knocking someone up at like 8.

[Edited on May 14, 2006 2:29AM]

Claian

Claian

Australia
April 2006

MAY 14, 2006 04:14 AM

I really think that it is terrible that a girl who is not even a teenager is having a baby, she has no idea how hard its going to be. i think that its kinda stupid that her mum is proud of her stupid and dangerous behavior.
eeek

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAY 14, 2006 06:20 AM


"Yeah but no but yeah..."

Ryan_Dipietro

Ryan_Dipietro

Naples, FL
April 2004

MAY 14, 2006 08:32 PM

ApostleOfSanta said:

RyanDipietro said:

cyberomega said:
He's under age too. Shouldn't she also be in trouble for statutory?



Not if he's over the age of consent.



In Britain the age of consent is 16, so he was under the age of consent.

However, having intercourse with an underaged partner is not automatically classed as statutory rape. The age boundary for statutory rape is 12 not 16.

Hence, as she was below the of 12 and he was over the age of 12 he can be prosecuted for rape regardless of whether she consented.



That's exactly what I was getting at. Thank you.

Somnia

somnia

Victoria, BC
October 2005

MAY 14, 2006 08:53 PM


"I can give up smoking at any time, but I don't find it affects my pregnancy. I also don't drink any more."



That's what really gets me. If this was an eleven year old who got pregnant and decided she had to grow up fast to raise her kid, it would be one thing.

But all the quotes in the article imply that she's already not taking care of her child (how exactly could you 'find' it effecting your pregnancy?!). She also sounds like she thinks its going to be all pram shopping and swimming lessons too.

I place the blame for all of that on the mom though. When I was in grade five I pretty much needed my mom to force me to brush my teeth and wear clean clothes. I don't see how this girl could do it without a very very supportive and responsible parent.

And the mom seems proud in a strange way. Proud as in "Now my daughter and I can be mums together! We can take our kids swimming, and let them get drunk and stay out all night! AND, we're famous and in all the papers!"

I also agree with the poster who said it seems like pubesent pregnancy sounds like it could be fatal.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

MAY 14, 2006 08:59 PM

But extrapolate this backwards.

Some of you say her child will likely wind up the same way, and some of you blame her mother. I think the odds of her mother having children in very much the same situation as her is high. So do you blame her mother? Etc. etc.

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

MAY 14, 2006 09:19 PM

I don't really think you should be allowed to have and/or keep kids if you have no possible way to support them.

coral_fangs

coral_fangs

United Kingdom
April 2005

MAY 15, 2006 08:03 AM

StarBelliedBoy said:
I don't really think you should be allowed to have and/or keep kids if you have no possible way to support them.





The problem with that though comes with the fact that it's hard to draw a line between able and unable to support a kid like a while back there were some people who had their kids taken off of them cos they were apparently not smart enough to be parents or some such excuse since they had learning difficulties even though they were perfectly fine parents.

AndersWolleck

AndersWolleck

Astoria, NY
February 2003

MAY 15, 2006 08:07 AM

Gilmore Girls redux

ACarr

ACarr

Asheville, NC
November 2004

MAY 15, 2006 08:23 AM

I've seen younger:
5 years old


I also like how it says she "fell" pregnant, as if she had fallen ill or something.

Roaring_Tulips

roaring_tulips

Jacksonville, FL
April 2006

MAY 15, 2006 08:24 AM

Good article. It briefly reminded me of some relatives of mine in Georgia. They believe themselves to be humanitarians and, over the years, wound up adopting 10 children. 5 of them were Hispanic siblings from Texas. One of them at the age of twelve gave birth to actually a healthy, beautiful little baby girl. My relatives adopted this child and decided to watch their twelve year old like a hawk after that. That didn't work, however, because she got pregnant again a year later. They adopted this child as well. He was healthy, but very hard to raise with 11 other children...one of them being barely a year older than he was. Eventually, the court told them that they had to have an IUD implanted in her. Meanwhile, she's learned nothing and has no plans for her future. Life is just fucking depressing, when you think about it.

Maxx

maxx

Los Angeles, CA
July 2002

MAY 15, 2006 08:31 AM

grandma by 22!

Roaring_Tulips

roaring_tulips

Jacksonville, FL
April 2006

MAY 15, 2006 08:32 AM

NameGoesHere said:
I've seen younger:
5 years old



Wow...that had to have been rape. It makes me want to puke, when I think about someone who would do that to a five year old girl.

Heathen_Dave

Heathen_Dave

Birmingham, AL
July 2005

MAY 15, 2006 10:56 AM

The worst part is the mother's pride. It's actually made me feel very uncomfortable.

Edit:

I'd like to have a wee boy because girls are too crabbit.



What, exactly, does crabbit mean?

[Edited on May 15, 2006 by Heathen_Dave]

The_New_Scum

The_New_Scum

United Kingdom
March 2006

MAY 15, 2006 06:14 PM

Heathen_Dave said:
What, exactly, does crabbit mean?



I'm just speculating here but i think its someting along the lines of "icky"

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

MAY 15, 2006 07:44 PM

Or "crabby".

Margot_Dent

Margot_Dent

Los Angeles, CA
February 2004

MAY 15, 2006 07:52 PM

Heathen_Dave said:
The worst part is the mother's pride. It's actually made me feel very uncomfortable.

Edit:

I'd like to have a wee boy because girls are too crabbit.



What, exactly, does crabbit mean?

[Edited on May 15, 2006 by Heathen_Dave]





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stupid html...
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[Edited on May 15, 2006 by Margot_Dent]

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

MAY 15, 2006 07:55 PM

NameGoesHere said:
I've seen younger:
5 years old


I also like how it says she "fell" pregnant, as if she had fallen ill or something.


She was getting regular periods when she was 3??? surreal surreal surreal surreal

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

MAY 16, 2006 01:30 AM

DullLifelessHair said:

RyanDipietro said:

cyberomega said:
He's under age too. Shouldn't she also be in trouble for statutory?



Not if he's over the age of consent.

Well he indeed is not.

Better sex edcuation is an interesting point, and the main problem being "When do you start?" I received mine in school at age 12, which seemed reasonable enough at the time... do we push it back? I'm all for as much sex education as possible, but I'm not quite sure when we first start bringing up the nasty in schools..



Statutory rape charges generally have age difference clauses. It's almost never simply a matter of age. Often one can get off (no pun intended) for ALSO being underaged, if close enough in age to the "victim."

Let's say a teen couple in a state where the age of consent is 18 have sex. He's 16, she's 15. Under most age of consent laws neither would be chargeable. If he were 17 and she were 13, he probably would be. She on the other hand would not.

RumpusParable

RumpusParable

Copperas Cove, TX
April 2003

MAY 16, 2006 01:43 PM

this is a terrible situation, stunning. sounds like she doesn't even have anyone to fall back on to help and guide. not to mention the already addressed physical risks to her in this... wow. i've only spent short visits to the UK, do they not have some quality social services that can step in and help? seems like they would from what little i know of them. i realize, though, that effectiveness in particular areas is always questionable with any system... not much to say, just a terrible situation.


side topic'ed: i'm always, always, always, amazed to hear what other members were like when they were 11 or 12 or 16 when ages are discussed. most of you describe functioning at a 5-7year old level at 11 (and even 16 years old) whenever we talk about our younger years (not referencing just this thread, but in general)... no matter what subject got us going. i wonder whether this is inaccurate "back in my day"ing that every generation falls into or if that much slower of development is really more common than my personal and work experience has shown so far.

Roaring_Tulips

roaring_tulips

Jacksonville, FL
April 2006

MAY 16, 2006 02:51 PM

RumpusParable said:

side topic'ed: i'm always, always, always, amazed to hear what other members were like when they were 11 or 12 or 16 when ages are discussed. most of you describe functioning at a 5-7year old level at 11 (and even 16 years old) whenever we talk about our younger years (not referencing just this thread, but in general)... no matter what subject got us going. i wonder whether this is inaccurate "back in my day"ing that every generation falls into or if that much slower of development is really more common than my personal and work experience has shown so far.



Truly, for me, I was just very much a goody two shoes type. But, even "the bad kids" I knew growing up don't compare to some of the things I've been hearing kids do these days. Sure, they did drugs and fucked and stuff......but not at 11.

sadieblackeyes

sadieblackeyes

United Kingdom
June 2004

MAY 17, 2006 03:36 AM

at 11, I was having the odd snog with boys at the under 18 disco (the oldest patrons being maybe 14 or 15) but that was pretty much as far as it went. Heavy drinking didn't come til I was 14.. which isn't very early at all for Britain, at least where I live.
Obviously this girl has been exposed to elements of life at an earlier age than would be good for her.. but it's hard to say without seeing what she's actually like, as opposed to how the media is painting her. it's inevitable that any young girl up the duff in britain these days is going to get the Vicky Pollard comparisons.


I'd also like to make the point that a lot of you seem to be forgetting - that underage pregnancy is not exclusively the domain of "this demographic" - or the poor and working class, as those of us with more spade-calling tendencies prefer to say.

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