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Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

APR 29, 2006 04:38 PM

Modern libraries compete directly with many forms of cultural communication: television, video games, online social networking sites, and “hanging out” wherever young people congregate. So, how does one meld the modern library with other competitive sites of socializing? The library does what it does best:collect specific forms of media and share them with the library’s patrons.

The Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh has captured the youthful demographic that would make Hollywood advertising sharks envious -- with 70 percent of Pittsburghers between the ages of 13 to 36 in possession of a library card, according to a study released yesterday on the library's economic impact.

"There is no other resource in our community who has such a reach into that demographic," said Jerry Paytas, director of CMU's Center for Economic Development, who conducted the study.

A magnet for teenagers and 20-somethings, the library rivals a shopping mall with its assortment of books, videos, DVDs and Internet access.

The former bastion of the bookish, the library draws more crowds than the region's sports teams.

"Even though several library facilities were being renovated in 2004, the library was still a top destination," the report said, luring 1.6 million visitors, more than the Pittsburgh Pirates with 1.58 million at PNC Park and well more than the Steelers at Heinz Field.

It also generated $6 for every public dollar spent to fund it in 2004, $75 worth of benefits per Allegheny County resident, the study said. It gets nearly $22 million a year from state, county and municipal sources.

The library sustains 726 jobs yearly and produces more than $91 million annually in combined economic output, the report said, which Dr. Paytas described as money spent by the library and its customers added to the dollar value of the amount of time spent at the library.


I think its success comes from not giving itself up to media fads by avoiding books, but by staying relevant enough to house both, providing space for congregation, and making sure that everyone has a space to make out while watching old episodes of M*A*S*H.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

APR 29, 2006 07:28 PM

Christopher said:
[. . .]and making sure that everyone has a space to make out while watching old episodes of M*A*S*H.



That's my favorite way to make out.

I hope I don't live to see the end of libraries as we know them. I ♥ libraries.

[Edited on Apr 29, 2006 by MrStitches]

Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

APR 29, 2006 07:35 PM

You know, I thought when this trend started that it would destroy libraries, but so long as they approach all forms of media equally, I can't think of anything wrong with it.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

APR 29, 2006 07:45 PM

Christopher said:
You know, I thought when this trend started that it would destroy libraries, but so long as they approach all forms of media equally, I can't think of anything wrong with it.



I personally would prioritize books. Not necessarily because they're more valuable (although in some ways I think they are), but because libraries are really the only way to do anything equivalent to "renting" a book. It's nice to have the other media around, makes things more of a one-stop-shop sort of thing, and draws people who might not otherwise come in (who will then hopefully find books they want to read at some point), but there are other venues for those things. So they're not as crucial.

That said, I think that's more or less how libraries currently operate. I know there are certainly a lot more carts full of books to shelve passing through my work area than carts of videos or CDs.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

APR 29, 2006 08:04 PM

Christopher said:
You know, I thought when this trend started that it would destroy libraries, but so long as they approach all forms of media equally, I can't think of anything wrong with it.



I wasn't trying to imply that I think this hurts libraries. But how long can this keep libraries "relavent"? The way the internet is going, people will be able to read books and watch movies and music for free, or at least cheaply, online legally, and I think people will prefer that to going to the library for it. Really libraries won't be neccesary if you can find any book you need available on the nets, but nothing can replace the actual experience of skulking through your library and finding a great book.

Benhamin

Benhamin

Grayslake, IL
December 2005

APR 30, 2006 07:48 AM

But a big driving force of that is public libraries! If it weren't for public universities and libraries, you really wouldn't have much of an internet to begin with. And the only people who are going to take the time out of the day to accurately catalog media in a standardized way are working for libraries.

I don't really see this as "competing" (though there is a certain degree of that), but really libraries are trying to complement the rich media experiences that people have in day to day life.

Sure, if you want to find a bunch of videos of cats falling off of things, YouTube is a great site. But if you want to reference anything "serious" (by that I mean hard sciences, literature and historical research, journals, peer-reviewed articles, primary sources, etc.) you are going to have deal with a library. Maybe not by physically going there, but they would have catalogued the article electronically.

[Edited on Apr 30, 2006 10:52AM]

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

APR 30, 2006 08:22 AM

I spend so much time at my library. I have access to every library in my region, plus every university library in the state, and there is such a wealth of stuff. And being able to order stuff from home has actually got me going there more. And with overdue fines, I probably generate a lot more than I use. biggrin

Wren

Wren

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

APR 30, 2006 08:56 AM

The answer is clearly to put in a make-your-own sundae bar.

_biblia_

_biblia_

Tuvalu
March 2005

APR 30, 2006 09:06 AM

I ♥ libraries and frankly this thread is no news to me. Libraries will never die.

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

APR 30, 2006 09:17 AM

Just the title of this thread irritates me....

Ghost_dance

Ghost_dance

Cincinnati, OH
March 2004

APR 30, 2006 10:59 AM

MrStitches said:
Really libraries won't be neccesary if you can find any book you need available on the nets



That's never going to happen, at least not for a very long time. I work for the second largest jewish library in the world and it would take an insanely long time to put everything we have into an online database. Now, try applying this to the US public libraries and it gets even crazier. Digitizing is also a painfully slow process, so there have to be leaps and bounds made in technology before the dream of this even one day becoming reality can begin.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

APR 30, 2006 02:53 PM

Benhamin said:
But a big driving force of that is public libraries! If it weren't for public universities and libraries, you really wouldn't have much of an internet to begin with. And the only people who are going to take the time out of the day to accurately catalog media in a standardized way are working for libraries.

I don't really see this as "competing" (though there is a certain degree of that), but really libraries are trying to complement the rich media experiences that people have in day to day life.

Sure, if you want to find a bunch of videos of cats falling off of things, YouTube is a great site. But if you want to reference anything "serious" (by that I mean hard sciences, literature and historical research, journals, peer-reviewed articles, primary sources, etc.) you are going to have deal with a library. Maybe not by physically going there, but they would have catalogued the article electronically.

[Edited on Apr 30, 2006 10:52AM]



Google has had plans for a while to start a huge online library. It was in the news a lot last year.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

APR 30, 2006 02:53 PM

bibliachica said:
I ♥ libraries and frankly this thread is no news to me. Libraries will never die.



What exactly is involved in becoming a proper librarian?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

APR 30, 2006 02:56 PM

MrStitches said:

bibliachica said:
I ♥ libraries and frankly this thread is no news to me. Libraries will never die.



What exactly is involved in becoming a proper librarian?


College degree...masters in library sciences helps.

NotoriousCAT

NotoriousCAT

Atlanta, GA
January 2004

APR 30, 2006 02:58 PM

I visit my local library at least twice a week, often three or four times.
I can log on from home to reserve books and rent dvds for free.
I love love love my library.
To be a librarian these days I believe a masters degree is required.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

APR 30, 2006 02:59 PM

PointBlank said:

MrStitches said:

bibliachica said:
I ♥ libraries and frankly this thread is no news to me. Libraries will never die.



What exactly is involved in becoming a proper librarian?


College degree...masters in library sciences helps.



What kind of courses are involved in that? Is it just lit courses and like advanced dewey decimal system?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

APR 30, 2006 03:05 PM

MrStitches said:

PointBlank said:

MrStitches said:

bibliachica said:
I ♥ libraries and frankly this thread is no news to me. Libraries will never die.



What exactly is involved in becoming a proper librarian?


College degree...masters in library sciences helps.



What kind of courses are involved in that? Is it just lit courses and like advanced dewey decimal system?


Most of my friends are librarians, and those with the Masters have said they are the easiest classes they've ever taken (a lot on how to research without internet, filing systems, etc). No lit classes at all...plus their union paid for it.
,

[Edited on Apr 30, 2006 by PointBlank]

NotoriousCAT

NotoriousCAT

Atlanta, GA
January 2004

APR 30, 2006 03:06 PM

MrStitches said:

PointBlank said:

MrStitches said:

bibliachica said:
I ♥ libraries and frankly this thread is no news to me. Libraries will never die.



What exactly is involved in becoming a proper librarian?


College degree...masters in library sciences helps.



What kind of courses are involved in that? Is it just lit courses and like advanced dewey decimal system?


These are the Rutgers Requirements.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

APR 30, 2006 03:14 PM

PointBlank said:

MrStitches said:

PointBlank said:

MrStitches said:

bibliachica said:
I ♥ libraries and frankly this thread is no news to me. Libraries will never die.



What exactly is involved in becoming a proper librarian?


College degree...masters in library sciences helps.



What kind of courses are involved in that? Is it just lit courses and like advanced dewey decimal system?


Most of my friends are librarians, and those with the Masters have said they are the easiest classes they've ever taken (a lot on how to research without internet, filing systems, etc). No lit classes at all...plus their union paid for it.
,

[Edited on Apr 30, 2006 by PointBlank]



Damn, that's not bad. I've thought about trying to get into the library racket, but the thought of having to sit through lit classes again makes my soul cry.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

APR 30, 2006 03:20 PM

Ghost_dance said:

MrStitches said:
Really libraries won't be neccesary if you can find any book you need available on the nets



That's never going to happen, at least not for a very long time. I work for the second largest jewish library in the world and it would take an insanely long time to put everything we have into an online database. Now, try applying this to the US public libraries and it gets even crazier. Digitizing is also a painfully slow process, so there have to be leaps and bounds made in technology before the dream of this even one day becoming reality can begin.


Not to mention no one's been able to get successfully a digital book onto the market yet. And no one wants to read a book on the computer. Message boards are unpleasant enough.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

APR 30, 2006 04:10 PM

Also, to work in a library you don't necessarily need to be a librarian. They're pretty near the top of the food chain, of course (although there's management, as in any large scale effort), but you can make a decent if not exceptional living clerking, or providing technical services. As far as I can tell the only requirement to be a clerk is that you be able to type reasonably fast (and even that may not necessarily apply in a library setting, I tested for a generic clerk/typist position which has different particulars depending on the part of the county you wind up working for.)

Of course, I haven't noticed much turnover at all in those positions, so actually finding an opening would be the tricky part.

_Sarah_

_Sarah_

Kalamazoo, MI
January 2003

APR 30, 2006 04:19 PM

Clov said:

Ghost_dance said:

MrStitches said:
Really libraries won't be neccesary if you can find any book you need available on the nets



That's never going to happen, at least not for a very long time. I work for the second largest jewish library in the world and it would take an insanely long time to put everything we have into an online database. Now, try applying this to the US public libraries and it gets even crazier. Digitizing is also a painfully slow process, so there have to be leaps and bounds made in technology before the dream of this even one day becoming reality can begin.


Not to mention no one's been able to get successfully a digital book onto the market yet. And no one wants to read a book on the computer. Message boards are unpleasant enough.


Precisely. Many people, including myself, love the luxury of lying in bed or relaxing in a chair while holding a good book. Hell, I'm one of those weirdos who loves the smell of books and can name the favorites from my bookcase.

LinkIsMyHero

LinkIsMyHero

USA
February 2005

APR 30, 2006 04:28 PM

This thread makes me happy. I had no idea there were so many other library lovers out there. "The hip place to be", indeed.

NotoriousCAT

NotoriousCAT

Atlanta, GA
January 2004

APR 30, 2006 04:30 PM

_Sarah_ said:

Clov said:

Ghost_dance said:

MrStitches said:
Really libraries won't be neccesary if you can find any book you need available on the nets



That's never going to happen, at least not for a very long time. I work for the second largest jewish library in the world and it would take an insanely long time to put everything we have into an online database. Now, try applying this to the US public libraries and it gets even crazier. Digitizing is also a painfully slow process, so there have to be leaps and bounds made in technology before the dream of this even one day becoming reality can begin.


Not to mention no one's been able to get successfully a digital book onto the market yet. And no one wants to read a book on the computer. Message boards are unpleasant enough.


Precisely. Many people, including myself, love the luxury of lying in bed or relaxing in a chair while holding a good book. Hell, I'm one of those weirdos who loves the smell of books and can name the favorites from my bookcase.


Yes, I am well known at my local bar for sitting around with my current book and a Guinness, I would not be me with a laptop in front of me.
shocked

_biblia_

_biblia_

Tuvalu
March 2005

APR 30, 2006 04:34 PM

MrStitches said:

PointBlank said:

MrStitches said:

PointBlank said:

MrStitches said:

bibliachica said:
I ♥ libraries and frankly this thread is no news to me. Libraries will never die.



What exactly is involved in becoming a proper librarian?


College degree...masters in library sciences helps.



What kind of courses are involved in that? Is it just lit courses and like advanced dewey decimal system?


Most of my friends are librarians, and those with the Masters have said they are the easiest classes they've ever taken (a lot on how to research without internet, filing systems, etc). No lit classes at all...plus their union paid for it.
,

[Edited on Apr 30, 2006 by PointBlank]



Damn, that's not bad. I've thought about trying to get into the library racket, but the thought of having to sit through lit classes again makes my soul cry.



The majority of programs can be done online now. If you'd like to know more, we have a Librarians group here on SG!

[Edited on Apr 30, 2006 by bibliachica]

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