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Christopher

Christopher

Portland, OR
November 2002

APR 07, 2006 06:01 PM

There is nothing in the world that makes an art aficionado more nervous than a pack of children tromping through a museum. Art museums and their older patrons can’t handle that level of tactile interaction, random screams, and grubby faces. But many artists are bringing children to gallery openings and museums and parents are teaching children how to behave at art shows.

"To me, to me, it's kind of part of a good education. Not to sound uppity about it," says artist Renee Petropoulos, whose 7-year-old twin girls were at the Shrimps performance. "I firmly believe that all people should be mindful of the spaces they're in and the conditions of those spaces, no matter if they're adults or kids. And I've seen adults behave worse than kids in many of these situations."

Petropoulos is quick to point out that this doesn't mean the art has to be child-safe, either in form or content. It's the parents' job to know how to behave and to gauge the content. Experiences specifically for kids are available elsewhere, like at the L.A. County Museum of Art's LACMA Lab, whose 2003 version she helped design.

Gallery shows are simply not meant to be that kind of entertainment, says Rosamund Felsen, a longtime gallery owner in Bergamot Station. Even though many artworks are meant to be interactive, it's not an arcade or a playground. Felsen recounts a recent incident in Detroit, where a 12-year-old visitor to the Detroit Institute of Arts stuck chewing gum on a 1963 painting by Helen Frankenthaler.


At the same time, there have been many art shows that seem to be completely perfect for children, but asking them to sit with silent adults observing a piece of steak being stapled on a wall is a bit much. That being said, if parents don’t teach their children how to behave in grown up settings, they’ll have to sit in the corner and be a performing art piece called “the TiMe OUTT.”

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

APR 07, 2006 08:08 PM

Asking an adult to sit silently while a steak is stapled to a wall is a bit much.

biggus_dickus

biggus_dickus

I'm lost
March 2006

APR 07, 2006 09:22 PM



[Edited on Apr 07, 2006 9:24PM]

seanvegas

seanvegas

Lincoln, NE
December 2004

APR 07, 2006 09:55 PM

Nothing to do with the article, but I posed nude for a photographer at the university, she made me pose on a big dirty sink while dressed in nylons and a corset while wearing a nasty pig mask. It was cool! biggrin

gargamelshitsblu

gargamelshitsblu

Seattle, WA
May 2005

APR 07, 2006 10:09 PM

What does teaching children about respect for other people and space have to do with being 'an art poseur'?

eightzeroone

eightzeroone

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

APR 07, 2006 10:19 PM

gargamelshitsblu said:
What does teaching children about respect for other people and space have to do with being 'an art poseur'?



While I respect the writer, that's my question as well.

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

APR 07, 2006 10:48 PM

eightzeroone said:

gargamelshitsblu said:
What does teaching children about respect for other people and space have to do with being 'an art poseur'?



While I respect the writer, that's my question as well.


Duh, only elitist snobs are respectful of other people and their spaces. Artists should be pleased about children's lack of inhibition, expressed through vandalism and fart jokes.

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

APR 07, 2006 11:06 PM

I saw a film about richard serra. Kids were shouting to hear the echoes off his work and being shushed. I like to think that Serra prefers people to explore the work, rather than reflect on it.

It's not about respecting people, it's about having a ridiculous expectation of children and a pompous view of art. While I can't stand people who talk too loud about a paintings FRAME, I can't respect someone who walks into a gallery and doesn't turn into a totally pretentious prick because they've seen "Pollock" and think they are suddenly experts on modern art.

Kids want to interact with art because it's hard for them to understand the abstract concept behind work. They experience things differently, and should therefore be allowed to interact with art differently. I'm not saying they should be allowed to touch every monet or climb on the berninis, but it's bullshit to expect a kid to be seen and not heard when they are forced to endure their parent's need to experience something "cultural". And honestly, if you want your kids to be cultured take them to a science or history museum, or a play...they won't be bored to tears, and they'll still experience something that isn't psp or spongebob.

And the kid PROBABLY stuck his gum on the frankenthaler because there was PROBABLY gum already on it... wink (not really, but if it had been a Pollock there definitely was. Or at least cigarette butts.)

[Edited on Apr 07, 2006 11:08PM]

troglodyte

troglodyte

Victoria, BC
May 2003

APR 07, 2006 11:13 PM

Roethke said:

eightzeroone said:

gargamelshitsblu said:
What does teaching children about respect for other people and space have to do with being 'an art poseur'?



While I respect the writer, that's my question as well.


Duh, only elitist snobs are respectful of other people and their spaces. Artists should be pleased about children's lack of inhibition, expressed through vandalism and fart jokes.


Artists should be pleased that anyone shows up.

FunkySkunk

FunkySkunk

Gainesville, FL
July 2004

APR 07, 2006 11:25 PM

biggus_dickus said:


[Edited on Apr 07, 2006 9:24PM]



Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!?!

Ghost333

Ghost333

I'm lost
March 2005

APR 08, 2006 01:25 AM

Ah, what's an art poseur?

Ghost333

Ghost333

I'm lost
March 2005

APR 08, 2006 01:27 AM

Ah yes here it is…

po·seur n
somebody who behaves or dresses to impress others

I disagree... Why should that be the better way?

[Edited on Apr 08, 2006 2:28AM]

jason

jason

USA
August 2002

APR 08, 2006 01:39 AM

its ok if your children are having a hard time grasping 'be quiet' and 'dont touch'. theyre just not ready to go to go look at art yet.

besides, imagine being a 4 year old in a modern art exhibit. 'i could do that'. 'i could do that'. 'did that last week'. 'is that poop'? 'i could do that'. probably not the most enlightening experience for them.

abracadabra

abracadabra

Seattle, WA
April 2004

APR 08, 2006 03:40 AM

i personally like a child's naivete..try not to let the wonder and surprise leave your mind..it's a wonderfull life biggrin

Fennec

Fennec

Swannanoa, NC
May 2005

APR 08, 2006 06:12 AM

jason said:
its ok if your children are having a hard time grasping 'be quiet' and 'dont touch'. theyre just not ready to go to go look at art yet.

besides, imagine being a 4 year old in a modern art exhibit. 'i could do that'. 'i could do that'. 'did that last week'. 'is that poop'? 'i could do that'. probably not the most enlightening experience for them.



exactly the reason i've never been a fan of "modern" art. Take the kid to the surrealist and impressionistic sections...hehe.

Paul9000

Paul9000

Monterey, CA
November 2004

APR 08, 2006 09:48 AM

Roethke said:
Artists should be pleased about children's lack of inhibition, expressed through vandalism and fart jokes.


Are you serious? When is it ever OK to desecrate someone else's work without consent?

James_

James_

United Kingdom
March 2003

APR 08, 2006 10:02 AM

Paul9000 said:

Roethke said:
Artists should be pleased about children's lack of inhibition, expressed through vandalism and fart jokes.


Are you serious? When is it ever OK to desecrate someone else's work without consent?



I think she was being sarcastic.

PaperDress

PaperDress

Rock Island, IL
December 2005

APR 08, 2006 10:04 AM

why can't kids just BE KIDS!!!??

dingoes8

dingoes8

Milwaukee, WI
March 2004

APR 08, 2006 10:07 AM

I get pretty restless at art shows or museums and start tugging on the sleeve of whomever I'm with, asking to go to Taco Bell. I guess I'm not a poser.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

APR 08, 2006 10:12 AM

Roethke said:

eightzeroone said:

gargamelshitsblu said:
What does teaching children about respect for other people and space have to do with being 'an art poseur'?



While I respect the writer, that's my question as well.


Duh, only elitist snobs are respectful of other people and their spaces. Artists should be pleased about children's lack of inhibition, expressed through vandalism and fart jokes.



Agreed.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

APR 08, 2006 11:02 AM

Part of me (the mom part) agrees it's important to instill contextual behavior in children.

Part of me reads this:

Felsen recounts a recent incident in Detroit, where a 12-year-old visitor to the Detroit Institute of Arts stuck chewing gum on a 1963 painting by Helen Frankenthaler.



...and thinks- That kid is punk as fuck AND an artist him/herself. tongue

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

APR 08, 2006 12:16 PM

James_ said:

Paul9000 said:

Roethke said:
Artists should be pleased about children's lack of inhibition, expressed through vandalism and fart jokes.


Are you serious? When is it ever OK to desecrate someone else's work without consent?



I think she was being sarcastic.


I was being sarcastic. More than one of my art exhibits has had "18+ or accompanied by a parent or guardian" on the door. Art galleries are not appropriate places to take children. If a child stuck gum on one of my pieces, he or his parents would be paying for it.

Although I've seen adults behave far worse than children at galleries. WHy is it so hard to understand that you can't touch the painting?

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

APR 08, 2006 12:21 PM

Roethke said:
WHy is it so hard to understand that you can't touch the painting?



Because we live in a culture of disrespect for others, where a person is brought up to believe that they are the single most important thing in the universe, and where the pain and inconvienience of others doesn't matter as long as you're having a good time.

[Edited on Apr 08, 2006 by Shalome]

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

APR 08, 2006 12:29 PM

Paul9000 said:

Roethke said:
Artists should be pleased about children's lack of inhibition, expressed through vandalism and fart jokes.


Are you serious? When is it ever OK to desecrate someone else's work without consent?



Wait...are you being sarcastic as well?

Paul9000

Paul9000

Monterey, CA
November 2004

APR 08, 2006 12:37 PM

Roethke said:

James_ said:

Paul9000 said:

Roethke said:
Artists should be pleased about children's lack of inhibition, expressed through vandalism and fart jokes.


Are you serious? When is it ever OK to desecrate someone else's work without consent?


I think she was being sarcastic.


I was being sarcastic. More than one of my art exhibits has had "18+ or accompanied by a parent or guardian" on the door. Art galleries are not appropriate places to take children. If a child stuck gum on one of my pieces, he or his parents would be paying for it.

Although I've seen adults behave far worse than children at galleries. WHy is it so hard to understand that you can't touch the painting?


I understand. I didn't interpret the previous post correctly. I'm in your camp.

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