Pokes said:
ALso, i negelected to mention, but from a moral perspective, all traditionally conservative arguments against porn are quite easily refutable whereas it's really the feminists who have legitimate objections. Last I checked, this article was presneting the objections of moral conservatives, not feminists.
The arguments of the moral conservatives and feminists aren't that different, which explains why both groups have been anti-porn bedfellows.
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Coliwali
I'm lost
February 2003
APR 03, 2006 01:50 PM
So this shmuck cheats on his wife, and instead of being man enough to admit his own fault, he decides to latch onto the nearest excuse he can, then try and ruin it for the rest of us.
Porn doesnt make you cheat on your wife, being an asshole makes you cheat on your wife.
Ahh, the moralist scolds are out in force. I love how it's always the people who have issues with porn themselves that want to ban it for all of us. They can't control themselves, so they want to take it away from EVERYBODY.
"The first shots were fired in the Porn War today. Most onlookers were not hurt, though several claimed to be sticky and humiliated. The culprits were arrested and could not be reached for comment until they finished their smokes."
Actually, their arguments are substantially different, but I'm talking from a philosophical perspective, the only one I know on the matter. Also, i can't tell you why the arguments are easily refutable without either listing them and then refuting them, which is a monstrous assignment, or oversimplifying them. If you're actually interested in reading why for yourself then you can read "Why Pornography is Valuable" by James A. Gould which can be found in The International Journal of Applied Philosophy, vol. 6, no.2 (pg. 53-onward). Now if you want a feminist article on the pros and cons of pornography, try reading something by Ann Garry as she's fairly admamant on the subject.
Well I'm not going to place the honus entirely upon the shoulders of the nay-sayers because they have a valid point of view to be considered as well (although often couched in much whining or lost in the din of other less reputable voices) I would stress that it does come down to personal will power. It's something that often gets overlooked in this PC age we live in. And although it's easy to attribute that tactic to conservative sources (they do employ it) I am of the opinion that it started in the Democratic camp.
Though he stressed the need for individual willpower, Laaser also faulted the porn industry for employing aggressive online technologies that "besiege you."
This comment amuses me no small degree and only serves to illustrate my point. It's the most double-faced acceptance of responsibility ever.
I always thought porn was a good thing for marriages
just to spice it up a little
Recently there was a vote in my county for whether or not to allow liquor to be sold within county limits. One of the main points that was made (by the local churches) was that porn and liquor were closely related.
Waite, this guy wants to ban porn because (at least in his delusional mined) it destroys marriage, but if he outlaws porn, that destroys "my" sex life! Selfish selfish. I love porn, I have a lot of it and it has yet to ruin my life. I just don't share this guy's moral position on the subject!
Aela said:
someday I will start my own utopian society where people understand that sex is all at once about love, respect, domination, submission, power and humiliation. it is about all those things, every time. if you try to take any of those out of the equation, it becomes a perversion. Sex should be enjoyed and explored, not demonized.
What is it about our society that condemns an act or the viewing of an act that almost ALL OF US participate in? If more people would calm the fuck down and explore the beauty of sex and by extension, porn, then maybe this wouldn't be such a shitty place to live after all.
Oh, and is it the porn ruining the marriage, or is it the lying about the porn addiction and the lack of trust that really ruins a marriage. I mean come on! I hate when people blame pornography for their own inability to create and maintain a healthy, open and honest relationship. GRRRRR!
Interesting post, and I'll get somewhat off the subject here by commenting, but I really don't think sex always involves "love, respect, domination, submission, power and humiliation"..... especially all at once!
Anyway, yeah, I don't understand why people and their wackjob religions are all so universally weird about sex. You'd think, with all the fervor and passion these people feel for "life" in all its forms, they'd be fucking up a storm to make more of it.
KATE
The internet is really really great
TREKKIE MONSTER
For porn
KATE
I’ve got a fast connection so i don’t have to wait
TREKKIE
For porn
KATE
Huh?
There's always some new site,
TREKKIE
For porn!
I browse all day and night
TREKKIE
For porn!
KATE
It's like i’m surfing at the speed of light
TREKKIE
For porn!
KATE
Trekkie!
TREKKIE
The internet is for porn
KATE
Trekkie!
TREKKIE
The internet is for porn,
KATE
What are you doing!?
TREKKIE
Why you think the net was born?
Porn porn porn
KATE
Treee—kkie!
TREKKIE
Oh hello kate monster
KATE
You are ruining my song
TREKKIE
Oh me sorry, me no mean to
KATE
Well if you wouldnt mind please being quiet for a minute so i can finish?
TREKKIE
Me no talkie
KATE
Good
I’m glad we have this new technology
TREKKIE
For porn
KATE
Which gives us untold opportunity
TREKKIE
For por—oops, sorry
KATE
Right from you own desktop
TREKKIE
For ---
KATE
You can research browse and shop
Until you’ve had enough and your ready to stop
TREKKIE
FOR PORN!!
Trekkie!
TREKKIE
The internet is for porn!
KATE
Noooo
TREKKIE
The internet if for porn!
KATE
Trekkie
TREKKIE
Me up all night honking me horn to porn, porn, porn!
KATE
That’s gross you’re a pervert
TREKKIE
Ah, sticks and stones Kate monster
KATE
NO really, your a pervert
Normal people don’t sit at home and look
At porn on the internet
TREKKIE
Ohhhh?
KATE
What?!
TREKKIE
You have no idea
Ready normal people?
NORMAL PEOPLE
Ready--- ready ----ready
TREKKIE
Let me hear it!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
The internet is for porn!
PRINCETON
Sorry kate
TREKKIE AND GUYS
The internet is for porn!
PRINCETON
I masturbate!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
All these guys unzip their flies
For porn, porn, porn!
KATE
The internet is not for porn!!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
PORN!, PORN, P---
KATE
HOLD ON A SECOND!
Now i know for a fact that you, Rob, check your portfolio and trade stocks online
ROB
That’s correct.
KATE
And Brian, you buy things on Amazon.com
BRIAN
Sure!
KATE
And Gary, you keep selling your possesions on Ebay
GARY
Yes I do!
KATE
And Princeton, you sent me that sweet online birthday card
PRINCETON
True!
TREKKIE
Oh, but Kate-
What you think he do . . .after? hmm?
PRINCETON
. .yeah
KATE
EEEWWWWW!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
The internet is for porn!
KATE
Gross!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
The internet is for porn!
KATE
I hate porn
TREKKIE AND GUYS
Grab your dick and double click
KATE
I hate you men!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
For porn, porn, porn!
(harmonizing) porn, porn, porn, porn
KATE
I’m leaving!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
Porn, porn, porn, porn
porn, porn, porn, porn
KATE
I hate the internet!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
Porn, porn, porn, porn
This all boils down to the gov't not really getting much of a piece of that 12 billion dollar pie that was tossed out there, in some cases they make a bit of sales tax on the sale of dvd's or videos, but with most of the porn being purchased online these days there isn't much tax money changing hands as far as sales taxes goes, so I think they are just upset that they have lost out on that piece of pie.
Its the bible thumpin' morons from the south that seem to think that porn is the be all end all to society and that it is destroying the fabric of life and family the same, but I am sure in there own bedrooms we would find mags and videos that they watch behind closed doors themselves, so they are a bunch of hypocrits!!
Oh, and I am a pornographer!! So not only do I love it, but I contribute!!
What I hate about the anti-porn crowd is that they make these spurious claims about how it ruins marriages, or is responsible for crime, all of which is bullshit, and then the onus is on US to fucking refute it! It's absurd!
James_ said:
What I hate about the anti-porn crowd is that they make these spurious claims about how it ruins marriages, or is responsible for crime, all of which is bullshit, and then the onus is on US to fucking refute it! It's absurd!
to prove you wrong we would need to have a group of people with various different types of cancer but who are all exactly the same in every other sense. (i.e. a group of identicle twins with cancer) we then subject one twin to porn 24/7 and the other to no porn. We would have to do this for a set period of time.
During the study we would have to evaluate, stage and grade the cancer in each group in order to form a comparison at regular
If the study does prove fruitful then future directions should include subjecting a new set of twins to different types of porn and seeing the difference in repsonse.
Crap like what I've just written above is the reason why I have no friends ....
According to the article, porn is a $12 billion a year industry, there are over 4 million porn sites on the Web, and 40 percent of U.S. Internet users visit porn sites every month.
Yes, I'm sure all these visits are purely accidental.
A psychologist says pornography leads to sexual dysfunction. Divorce lawyers say porn addiction leads to the demise of marriages.
What?
This person needs a glass of shut the fuck up, NEWSFLASH, as scary as this thought is to me (seriously, we're talking cold sweats in the middle of the night) people make these choices of their own accord. You can't blame porn for breaking up your marriage, blame the fact that you were in all probability an incompatible couple and at least of you was definitely not satisfied enough to remain monogamous.
Secondly the latter half of this particular gem was supplied by someone who in point of fact makes money out of couples getting divorced, a lawyer no less.
Bah, I could go on but there's really no need, as usual I'm disappointed and annoyed at the stupidity of some people.
TheFuckOffKid
NEWSWIRE
Australia
APR 03, 2006 01:41 PM