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MAR 29, 2006 02:34 PM
sounds like a less interesting Black Like Me

effstop
Las Vegas, NV
June 2004
MAR 29, 2006 03:39 PM
looks like a great read. i'll have to pick that one up! ![]()
MAR 29, 2006 04:32 PM
Vincent found out what it's really like to be the other sex,
Guys don't really go out dressed as a guy to see what it's like to be a guy.
MAR 29, 2006 05:13 PM
I posted this review of the book and a second (more "theoretical", less empirical) book, in the Feminist group when I was a member.
Manliness
by Harvey C. Mansfield
Yale. 304 pp. $27.50
Self-Made Man: One Womans Journey Into Manhood and Back Again
by Norah Vincent
Viking. 290 pp. $24.95
Reviewed by
Kay S. Hymowitz
The American male has been feeling blue. Whether from a loss of power in a postfeminist society, a dearth of dependable jobs, or the absence of compelling role models, he is said to be in the throes of a masculinity crisis. Worse, the problem has trickled down, becoming what Newsweek has belatedly noticed as a boy crisis.1 Young males tend increasingly to be poor readers and restless students, and to lack the interpersonal skills demanded by our information economy. In higher education, as has been widely reported, 58 women now enroll in college for every 42 men, with the ratio worsening by graduation time as males drop out in larger numbers.
These two new books add to what is by now a sizable literature on the troubles of todays American male. In many ways, they could not be more dissimilar. Harvey C. Mansfield, the author of the brusquely titled Manliness, is a distinguished scholar of political philosophy at Harvard. Norah Vincent is a hip, young New York journalist and self-professed dyke; in Self-Made Man, she recounts her journey into American life disguised as a member of the opposite sex.
Vincents book is the ovular answer to Mansfields seminar. Where Mansfield is tweedy, formal, and analytical, Vincent is personal, street-talkin, and journalistic. Where Mansfield wrestles with Aristotle, Hobbes, and Nietzsche, Vincent spends time in titty bars, a bowling league, and an encounter group. Mansfields often dense contemplations are likely to appeal most to a scholarly readership; Vincent, by contrast, has already achieved celebrity, with her book being featured on 20/20, in People, and on the cover of the New York Times Book Review. Finally, where Mansfield comes to praise manliness, Vincent concludes that the condition is a Sisyphean burden.
A more unlikely duo is thus hard to imaginewhich makes their points of agreement all the more striking.
Harvey Mansfield sets off into Americas treacherous sexual wilderness with a clear destination in mind: to rescue manliness from the bear-like clutches of its enemies, in particular feminists and advocates of a gender-neutral society. As he notes, the opponents of manliness have tried to depose the term altogether, in favor of masculinity. They want to expose manliness as a mere social invention, a rationale for male power.
But this, Mansfield observes, begs the question of why men have always had the power in the first place. He finds the answer in manliness, which he defines as confidence in the face of risk, an easy assumption of authority that leads to an abundance of corollary qualities stereotypically associated with the male of the species. If the womanly tendency is to seek intimacy and personal warmth, the manly tendency is to dominate.
Mansfield concedes that the manly man is not always appealing. He can be willful and boastful, and patronizing toward women. But these annoyances are part of a package that makes the average Joe capable of greater heroism and command than the average Josephine. More open to facing risk, he is more likely to gain and wield power and to make his mark in the world. There can be manly womenElizabeth I and Margaret Thatcher come to mindbut they are rare.
Male power is not a social artifact, Mansfield argues, but a reflection of our nature, as much a part of biological reality as testosterone itself. This explains the failure of the androgynous utopia promised by the 1960s. Even after decades of re-educating the young, the line between male and female activities has been blurred but not erased. Men, he points out, still drive trucks, fly planes, fix cars, and mow lawns. Women still teach kindergarten, empty hospital bedpans, and clean the kitchen.
The most popular current explanation for this divide is to be found in evolutionary biology. To Mansfield, however, Darwinians mistakenly tend to reduce manliness to raw aggression and dominance. Like scientists in general, they fail to see that manliness is a moral quality (a subject beyond the reach of their methods), and so they miss its essence. A deeper understanding, Mansfield insists, is available in literature and, above all, in philosophy.
The ancient Greeks in particular had ideas about manliness that Mansfield considers instructive for the contemporary mind. Both Plato and Aristotle described an element in the human soul called thumos, a kind of animal spiritedness or bristling that vies with our reason, especially in men. Thumos, Mansfield observes, has no natural end beyond itself. It is an impulse that must be tamed and trained, channeled into the virtue of manly courage. Even while recognizing the danger of mens natural assertiveness, the philosophers understood that a good society had to give it its due.
Modern thinkers, according to Mansfield, followed Darwins lead in turning their backs on this valuable ambiguity and sense of balance. Nietzsche, William James, Rudyard Kipling, Teddy Rooseveltall were manly nihilists, advocates of assertiveness for its own sake, of transcendence with no stated goal. Feminists, starting with Simone de Beauvoir and continuing with Kate Millet and Germaine Greer, also threw in their lot with such nihilistic thinking, simultaneously denouncing men for their animal aggressiveness and demanding the same self-assertive rights for women.
What really ails men, Mansfield concludes, is that their manliness is underemployed. Feminism is only one of its enemies. Just about every modern tendency is hostile to the manly urge: the bourgeois yearning for comfort and security fails to channel manly excitability; professionalism rejects manly courage; even democracy, which defers to equality and reason, is no friend. Manliness favors war, likes risk, and admires heroes, Mansfield writes. Rational control wants peace, discounts risk, and prefers role models to heroes.
Mansfield hardly imagines that we can return to a society where men go off to be manly and women stay at home. Instead, he argues, we should revive a core distinction of liberalism: the divide between the public and the private. Sexual stereotypes would be discouraged in public life, but in private we should admit that they are trueand that they are what makes for mutual interdependence. The fact, for example, that women are physically weaker than men requires women to be more aware, more realistic. The two sexes need each other in order to be fully themselvesand to be truly free.
Mansfield would no doubt find it fitting that Norah Vincents journey into the gender jungle is altogether more pragmatic and realistic than his own. It begins with her applying artificial stubble to her chin, getting a haircut and eyeglasses to harden the angles of her face, flattening her breasts inside a tight sports bra, and bulking up at the gym. But if all of this seems like gimmickry, Vincent is more method actress than transvestite. Her goal is to inhabit the experience of her alter egowho goes by the name of Nedand she does so successfully enough that by the end of the book she winds up in a psychiatric ward, exhausted and depressed by the pressure of maintaining an alien identity.
Her first adventurejoining a bowling leagueleads her into foreign territory not just because it is male but because it is working-class; her team includes a repairman, a plumber, and a construction worker, most of them at or near middle age. A feminist and an educated blue-stater, Vincent is caught off guard by how much she likes these new comrades. She enjoys the natural warmth of their handshakes and how tacitly attuned [the] men are to each other. Their easy camaraderie and directness are in sharp contrast to her usual experience with womens guile and dime-a-dozen intimacies. No one reacts to Neds inept bowling style with scorn or one-upsmanship, as Vincent implies that women might; in fact, the men are generous with pointers and quietly respectful when other men demonstrate especially impressive skills.
Neds experience on the dating circuit also yields unexpected sympathy for men. In looking for love, Vincent finds, men are required to slog through a purgatory of rejection, hostility, and ambiguity. When Ned tries to talk up a few women at a bar, the lovelies looked [me] over like inferior produce in the supermarket. Many women, carrying wounds from past relationships, would greet men with the presumption of guilt, so much so that they seemed incapable of seeing any new man as an individual. If that is not burden enough, men have to make sense of the females warrior/minstrel complex. Women want a man who is strong and will take the leadwho is manly in Mansfields sensebut at the same time expressive, intuitive, attuned. Expectation, expectation, expectation, Vincent frets. Finding the right balance was maddening.
Not that Self-Made Man is a panegyric to the male sex. Recounting her stint as a door-to-door salesman, Vincent shows us American masculinity in its crudest, most boastful frat-boy style. The worst part was her fellow salesmens sordid conflation of financial success with performance in bed. Everything about the business was sexual or an extension of male sexualityconquest, confidence, capability.
In another chapter, Vincent patronizes strip clubs, discovering so big a gulf between female and male sexuality as to make her especially grateful to be a lesbian. Strip clubs wipe away emotion, seduction, imagination, mental connectionthe things that are, perhaps, the hallmarks of female sexuality. The grindingly mechanical lap dance appeals to the painful compulsions of the universal male urge. The men she sees brooding over their whiskey seem miserable. For many of them, Vincent speculates, the persistent craving for sex can only be a source of humiliation. If they objectify the strippers, it is not misogyny at work but the opposite: an effort to exorcise their shame and helplessness in the face of the priapic imperative.
What disturbs Vincent far more than mens vulgar sexuality is their emotional aloofness. When she spends time at a monasteryshe was a religious Catholic in her younger daysshe finds men who are desperate for approval and support but too rigidly reliant on masculine codes of reserve to look for solace. She sees the flip side of these same pent-up emotions in an all-male encounter group inspired by Iron John, the 1990 bestseller by Robert Bly. That the men make a point of hugging each other at every turn shows that, like the monks, they needed a mans affection and respect, a mans approval, and a mans shared perspective on their feelings. During a bizarre weekend retreat that includes incense, tribal drums, and a large carved phallic talisman, they yelp freely about the emotions they have been forced to suppress.
For Vincent, in the end, American men are in crisis for a reason long stipulated by some feminists. They, too, are victims of the patriarchy. They, too, suffer from the toxicity of gender roles. Society asks them to play it strong, to give off the illusion of impregnability, but as a result they lose touch with themselves. By the time Vincent goes on her Iron John retreat, she has decided that all men wear masks to satisfy societys impossible expectations. Her own disguise, she observes, was the one thing I had in common with every guy in the room.
Neither of these two timely books will entirely satisfy anyone trying to figure out what men really want. Mansfields Manliness is tough goingeven, I dare say, for the manliest of readers. When philosophical, it is too often abstract and mannered. (Virtue is a combination of knowledge and manly spirit, each factor encouraging the other to do its worst or its best. To be altogether bad you have to be good at being bad, thus good.) When topical, it sometimes grates. (War is hell, but men like it; women show a secret liking for housework and diaper changing.)
A more substantive problem with the book is conceptual. How do we distinguish Mansfields idea of manly self-assertion from ambition, or a more general desire for recognition? Manliness likes to show off and wants to be appreciated, Mansfield writes; it expresses the importance of the individual. But surely women also want public notice, especially in a society like todays in which professional achievement more than domestic virtue defines personal merit. They may be less brash, but that hardly means they lack their own ways of becoming an alpha.
As for Vincent, she can be as naïve and simplistic as Mansfield is arcane. She expresses amazement that her working-class bowling partners areimagine!neither racists nor homophobes, and that men often see their privileges as a burden rather than an entitlement. Even more problematic is the way Vincent relies for her conclusions on a sampling of men at the margins. Her diagnosis of masculine angst, for example, is drawn largely from her experience in the monastery and the Iron John group. This is a bit like visiting a hospital and declaring an entire country unhealthy.
A still larger problemand here she would have benefited from a hefty dose of Mansfields philosophical disciplineis Vincents confused analysis of the nature of manliness. Manhood is a leaden mythology, she writes. Youre not allowed to be a complete human being. The implication is that the world would be a better place if men were more like women. But this raises questions that never seem to occur to Vincent. Can men become more like women? And if they could, would they (or women) be more content?
Fortunately, Vincents powers of observation are so astute as to override some of her more tenuous ideas. And what she actually observes recalls Mansfields fundamental point: our sex is utterly basic to our identity. Indeed, Vincents own homosexuality lends greater power to this insight. Although she is a masculine womanas a child, she dressed like a ranch hand and was a hard-core tomboyher X chromosomes will not be denied.
A monk notices that Neds mannerisms are pretty effeminate (an observation, Vincent quips, that had never been made about the mannish Norah). When she shops for cologne at a mens fragrance counter, she finds herself rubbing the inside of her wrists together before sniffing, the way women do; a hapless salesgirl notices and looks away in embarrassment. In a priceless moment, after she has confessed and finally convinced a bowling-league buddy that Ned is in fact Norah, the stunned man blurts out: Wow, youre a fin chick! No wonder you listen so good!
Vincents concealed femininity guarantees failure on the dating circuit for similar reasons. She had assumed that women would be attracted to Ned the ideal man being essentially a woman, or a woman in a mans body. She was utterly mistaken. Women look for men who project confidence and authority; they want brawny, hairy, smelly, stalwart, manly men; bald men, men with bellies, men who can fix things and, yes, men who like sports and pound away in the bedroom. Could it be, Vincent wonders, that there is a preprogrammed and possibly inescapable grammar of gender burned on our brains?
It is this deep psychological structure that Mansfield tries to bring to the surface. He has only partly succeeded, and his proposal that we play me Tarzan, you Jane in the kitchen while observing sexual neutrality at the office seems unworkable on its face. But he does make a compelling case that the natural grammar of gender clashes in basic ways with the vocabulary of contemporary aspiration. There remains a rift between the mystery of our sexual natures and the demands of our rational, bourgeois order. That being the case, the masculinity crisis is likely to be with us for a long time.
KAY S. HYMOWITZ writes frequently on social and cultural issues for COMMENTARY and is a contributing editor of City Journal.
1 The magazine trails Christina Hoff Sommerss The War Against Boys by six years and Midge Decters What Are Little Boys Made Of? (COMMENTARY, December 1998) by eight.
MAR 29, 2006 05:59 PM
I remember reading the book review in the la times. When I was looking at the picture on the review of the author as both sexes the first thought that struck me was "she looks better as a man." That being said I think it will be a good interesting read.

thestral
Manassas, VA
August 2005
MAR 29, 2006 08:03 PM
ninetysevencents said:
Vincent found out what it's really like to be the other sex,
Guys don't really go out dressed as a guy to see what it's like to be a guy.
Women can't understand what being a man is like by dressing up as one and hanging out with them. Men can't understand what being a woman is like by dressing up as one and hanging out with them.
To paraphrase a line from SnowCrash, "all she wants is for you to know yourself, the rest is negotiable."
MAR 29, 2006 09:36 PM
thestral said:
Women can't understand what being a man is like by dressing up as one and hanging out with them. Men can't understand what being a woman is like by dressing up as one and hanging out with them.
Even just reading the review I posted under the spoiler will make clear what can be gained by the exercise she conducted.
She hung around with men who thought they were all hanging out as men together. So she saw how men treated her (thinking she was a he), and busted some of her preconceptions as a result.
She also had women treat her assuming she was a male -- so she "lived the experience" of being a man, however temporarily and somewhat artifically.
None of this told her how it was to actually be male -- but it gave her insights in what it was to have the experience of "being male".
MAR 29, 2006 11:40 PM
TheFuckOffKid said:
Even just reading the review I posted under the spoiler will make clear what can be gained by the exercise she conducted.
She hung around with men who thought they were all hanging out as men together. So she saw how men treated her (thinking she was a he), and busted some of her preconceptions as a result.
She also had women treat her assuming she was a male -- so she "lived the experience" of being a man, however temporarily and somewhat artifically.
None of this told her how it was to actually be male -- but it gave her insights in what it was to have the experience of "being male".
funny enough, i just finished reading this book today. i agree with this summary wholeheartedly.
[Edited on Mar 30, 2006 12:40AM]

Goob
Hatboro, PA
March 2004
MAR 30, 2006 12:03 AM
I want to try it. But I'd never pass.
MAR 30, 2006 07:22 AM
It's an excellent book, and one I recommend to anyone.






susannah_breslin
I'm lost
June 2005
MAR 29, 2006 08:49 AM