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Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

MAR 21, 2006 11:05 PM

sairaj said:
All you need is a 3 gallon jug, some fresh fruit, some sugar, some water, some yeast and about 24 hours of patience, the most difficult ingredient. Oh, and a piece of tubing...1/2" diameter...anyway, you and your buddies will be getting drunk, no problem. Alchohol is the easiest drug to manufacture that I know of. Kids are making meth, why wouldn't they make alchohol.



But would this taste good?!?

willwc

willwc

Philadelphia, PA
March 2006

MAR 21, 2006 11:10 PM

My main issue with the idea of increased taxes as a form of deterring under-aged drinking is this. The idea that increasing the price of a product that an 18 year old consumer isn't even legally allowed to purchase seems flawed. If an individual is determined to drink, even in the face of possible legal ramifications, i don't know that bumping up the price another buck will be that strong a deterrent.

As for alcohol related deaths due to drunk driving, i'd be curious to know how many are result of under-age drinking, as opposed to those caused by some 30-something driving home from a bar after having one too many.

Our government has a long standing tradition of trying to fix our social problems with regulations meant to "stop the bleeding" rather than trying to determine the cause of these problems and work to fix them. At one time in this nation, alcohol was illegal and all it did was create big business for "less than honest" entrepreneurs. Before Roe v. Wade, abortions occurred in "medical facilities" that were more akin to back alleys. Smokers are social pariahs in this day and age, and yet tobacco is still a billion dollar industry. and i know more people that still drive without their seat belts on than i can count on both hands.

All this looks like is another attempt by the government to legislate morality.

And bank some coin.

Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

MAR 21, 2006 11:16 PM

I believe that the tobacco issue kinda boiled down to, well, we're all paying into Medicare and those dollars are being sucked away by lung disease, which as far as smoking is concerned, is a preventable disease. Suing the tobacco industry, generating millions for the States with these expenses, in tandem with limits on advertising and taxes on tobacco, have made a real difference in this regard.

Simply substituting alcohol into this scenario would likely have a similar result:

Drinking alcohol excessively causes cirrhosis of the liver which, as far as drinking is concerned, is a preventable disease. The deaths and suffering cause by drinking and driving, abusive alcoholics and the like, only amplify the issue. The States could sue the alcohol manufacturers and generate revenue for prevention. The federal government could limit advertising of alcohol and tax its purchase. This likely would be an effective deterrent. The rate of this disease would drop and drinking and driving other related alcohol abuse would decrease.

Of course, getting the federal government to favor such government action is unlikely, simply because there probably is a supermajority of the voting public who wouldn't support it--because they enjoy drinking.

Thus, I don't think I would worry about not being able to drink anytime soon. wink

hybridplague

hybridplague

Seattle, WA
November 2005

MAR 22, 2006 01:55 AM

Is no one else concerned about the threat to alcohol advertising? Alcohol commercials are some of the best commercials we have. The liquor commercials are arty and the beer commercials are funny. Does no one else remember the Budwiser lizards? If we were to lose this, we would be losing one of the greatest advertising niches this country has!

As far as new laws, i say drop the drinking age to 16, and raise the driving age to 18. That way kids have a good two years of boozing it up before they can get behind the wheel. Hopefully by that time enough of the novelty will have worn off and they won't be nearly as much of a risk.

zoton

zoton

Kuwait
November 2005

MAR 22, 2006 02:03 AM

making it illegal won't work.
It's illegal where I'm from (kuwait) and we still drink like fish ....


(Might be one of the reasons why I fit in so well in Ireland)

plus the law has now become just as useless as the cannabis laws are in the states.....

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

MAR 22, 2006 02:08 AM

Not_a_sicko said:

MrStitches said:
And just because it deters people doesn't mean it is okay. It isn't the government's job to stop people from doing things that only hurts themselves.


I think most of the alochol-related deaths that are mentioned have to do with drunk driving. And drunk drivers quite often hurt other people.



Yes, because the sober people tend to "tense up" and get more injured while the drunks are a bit more relaxed during the collision and therefore take less damage.

The safest thing to do is to REQUIRE people to be drunk while driving. Have cars be more like bumper cars. Seriously, it's the only way to make our streets safe.

Unskeptic

Unskeptic

Columbus, OH
November 2005

MAR 22, 2006 02:56 AM

Don't we already have a war on drugs?? How well has that worked?

PoofMonger

PoofMonger

San Antonio, TX
February 2005

MAR 22, 2006 03:05 AM

ResidentLune said:

StarBelliedBoy said:
People don't drink alcohol because it's cheap. Making it more expensive will just force kids to choose a cheaper brand than usual.



While no one may drink alcohol because it is cheap, raising the price of something has always been a rather powerful deterrant.

Just look at the heavy taxing of cigarettes. It's true that other powers and initiatives against the use of cigarettes come into play when considering the decline of their use, however the over-the-top taxation has certainly deterred people from using them as much.

Why do you think people keep track of money they have saved by kicking the habit? Because it's quite the noticable financial return.


The taxing on cigarettes hasn't detered me from smoking. I just stopped paying rent and other uselss shit like that.

Walker

Walker

Redmond, OR
March 2005

MAR 22, 2006 04:29 AM

One word, prohibition. You know because that always works. whatever

scribit

scribit

United Kingdom
June 2004

MAR 22, 2006 06:37 AM

it's the same bloody thing this side of the atlantic, 24 hour drinking is now legal, but can you find a pub open past 2am, i think not, taxes on both alcohol and ciggarettes are foolishly high but both are still cheaper than pot, doesn't stop me doing any of the 3

Sexdwarf

Sexdwarf

Hermosa Beach, CA
February 2003

MAR 22, 2006 08:07 AM

Yes, and let's all remember, we have 1 person, and 1 group to blame for the drinking age . . .
a round of applause for Reagan and MADD.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Brooklyn, NY
November 2003

MAR 22, 2006 08:16 AM

Sexdwarf said:
Yes, and let's all remember, we have 1 person, and 1 group to blame for the drinking age . . .
a round of applause for Reagan and MADD.




Seriously the whole "won't somebody think of the children!" argument really needs to go away. FUCK children. Kids grew up fine for thousands of years without pointless laws and taxes to protect them from the world.
If you don't want your kid exposed to the evils of alcohol advertising, move to a country with Sharia law. Leave me out of it.

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