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Beth_Gottfried

Beth_Gottfried

Cambridge, MA
March 2006

MAR 08, 2006 04:39 PM

The latest installment of the X-Men series, The Last Stand will be released on May 26. For those you curious to see what exactly Brett Ratner has in store, be sure to check out the trailer.

In X-Men: The Last Stand, the final chapter in the X-Men motion picture trilogy, a "cure" for mutancy threatens to alter the course of history. For the first time, mutants have a choice: retain their uniqueness, though it isolates and alienates them, or give up their powers and become human.



Egotastic weighs in on the trailer:

The story seems intense (though borrowing heavily from Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men). And they pretty much threw in every mutant character ever in the series, but there's just something missing. It's hard to pin-point, but I'd say it's that little bit extra that just makes you jump up and down with anticipation. I guess it just didn't pass the fanboy test.

I think it all boils down to the Ranter Factor. I must say, however, Kelsey Grammer as Beast looks amazing, and I'm fairly stoked to see Angel, too.



Personally, after watching the trailer, I'm a fan of the asian mutant with tons of spikes/needles darting fron his face. Kelsey Grammer as the Beast just looks like a knock-off Scrooge character a la Jim Carrey as Lemony Snicket.

Source: IMDB

akl

akl

Sacramento, CA
February 2004

MAR 08, 2006 05:07 PM

Sooooooo looking forward to this.

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

MAR 08, 2006 05:13 PM

Joss Whedon isn't involved in Last Stand, for the record.

And I'm not sure what Beast has to do with Scrooge. Or what Lemony Snicket has to do with Scrooge. Is that a reference to the makeup jobs?

[Edited on Mar 08, 2006 by Hooraydiation]

Beth_Gottfried

Beth_Gottfried

Cambridge, MA
March 2006

MAR 08, 2006 05:18 PM

It is a ref to makeup jobs. And you're right about Whedon. I was just about to edit that before hitting the "publish" button...Thanks!

LiquidYogi

LiquidYogi

Claremont, CA
September 2003

MAR 08, 2006 05:44 PM

Wow, Joss Whedon did something with X-Men...with the same story he used for "Serenity" and thats being used in Last Stand. Very unorriginal.
That being said, I'm very excited about this movie, X-Men taught kids my age about intolerance...plus its been only X-Men and Spiderman that have been good comic book movies lately.

zenFish

zenFish

Vancouver, BC
August 2004

MAR 08, 2006 05:59 PM

sweet, f'ng jesus.

this is going to be so damn good.

Friedhamster

friedhamster

I'm lost
January 2006

MAR 08, 2006 06:01 PM

I, for one, can not wait!

dholokov

dholokov

Toronto, ON
April 2003

MAR 08, 2006 06:08 PM

Anything taken from "Astonishing X-men" can only be good.

I hope they also use "I have cloud hair".

Drake

Drake

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAR 08, 2006 06:09 PM

Wait, what exactly did they borrow from Astonishing? I didn't pick up on that at all. If anything it's borrowing from Ultimate X-Men. Which seems reasonable to me?

Sky

Sky

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAR 08, 2006 06:11 PM

I saw a bit of the trailer today, it wasn't the real trailer it was the "the cinema won't be the only place to see X-men 3..pirate dvds blah blah" - but it looked fuckin' Great....

DrLorenz

DrLorenz

Elgin, IL
March 2006

MAR 08, 2006 07:08 PM

I can't wait. I heard that Colossus is going to be in this one more. I like Colossus. smile

Also, I can't wait to see Kelsey Grammer hanging from a ceiling reading a book. (I swear... if there isn't a scene like that...)

MarginWalker2002

MarginWalker2002

San Diego, CA
April 2004

MAR 08, 2006 07:19 PM

SO, the new muties this time around are:

Pieter Rasputin aka Colossus
Kitty Pride aka ShadowCat
Hank McCoy aka Beast
Warren Worthington aka Angel
Juggernaut (forgot his real name)


Any others??

And has anyone heard that this may be the last one?? End of the franchise?? I certainly hope that's all just a horrible rumor.

J24U

J24U

Danvers, MA
February 2006

MAR 08, 2006 07:23 PM

MarginWalker2002 said:
Juggernaut (forgot his real name)



Cain Marko

also... this is advertised as the final in a trilogy, but who knows. There is already a solo Wolverine movie and a solo Magneto movie in the works...

[Edited on Mar 08, 2006 by J24U]

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

MAR 08, 2006 07:23 PM

MarginWalker2002 said:
SO, the new muties this time around are:

Pieter Rasputin aka Colossus
Kitty Pride aka ShadowCat
Hank McCoy aka Beast
Warren Worthington aka Angel
Juggernaut (forgot his real name)


Any others??

And has anyone heard that this may be the last one?? End of the franchise?? I certainly hope that's all just a horrible rumor.


Jugs= Cain Marko

There's also Stacy X, Callisto, and Psylocke.

Motionboy

Motionboy

Vancouver, BC
January 2004

MAR 08, 2006 07:39 PM

There is a standalone magneto movie in the works?


ooo...kkaaaay

J24U

J24U

Danvers, MA
February 2006

MAR 08, 2006 07:42 PM

Motionboy said:
There is a standalone magneto movie in the works?


ooo...kkaaaay



Supposed to follow him from the concentration camps to where he is in the present movies...

Dora

Dora

SUICIDEGIRL

Arizona, USA

MAR 08, 2006 07:45 PM

can't wait!


*jumps up and down*

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

MAR 08, 2006 07:51 PM

Drake said:
Wait, what exactly did they borrow from Astonishing? I didn't pick up on that at all. If anything it's borrowing from Ultimate X-Men. Which seems reasonable to me?


As long as they don't borrow Mark Millar's horrible, awful dialogue.

BellJar

BellJar

I'm lost
February 2005

MAR 08, 2006 08:00 PM

wheee! I'm so fucking excited.
*runs off to watch it again!*

William_Miller

William_Miller

South Berwick, ME
January 2005

MAR 08, 2006 08:15 PM

X3 is the last in the franchise, at least from FOX. Ratner's brought it up as being so, and FOX had the license for three movies -- and they won't be renewing the license afterwards, as far as is known. Why? Tom Rothman hates X-Men, and he hates it passionately. I don't quite know why -- but he does. I imagine it was an earlier acquisition that he wasn't too happy with? He fucked around the first one quite a bit -- Singer barely got any input into the story, and Rothman cut the budget as well as cut down post-production time in order to shove the movie out and get it out of the way.

Unfortunately, the plan backfired, and X-Men became a success. Enough to have Marvel asking for a sequel. And enough to allow Singer to assume more creative control over the project, which led to X2's sudden jump in confident filmmaking and the blowaway success it had. Rothman didn't immediately sign Singer to a third one, though -- nor did he sign Mike Dougherty or Dan Harris, X2's writers, to a contract for a third one.

Now, on the set of X2, Richard Donner's original Superman was quite the popular movie. And as Bryan and Mike and Dan were tossing around ideas for X3, figuring out their update of Logan's Run, and other projects that have been lined up, Bryan and the boys became aware that Superman had just lost Ratner, the latest in what I believe was a 15-person long list of directors. The three of them cooked up an idea for a Superman movie -- which would become the soon-coming Superman Returns -- and pitched it to Warner Bros. This got rid of Jon Peters (who had basically been the man who had been dragging Superman through the mud at WB since 1989 -- his mark on it is in name only, with Gilbert Adler and Bryan having done the real legwork on the movie), and suddenly, Bryan Singer was no longer available to do a third X-Men movie in a time that FOX could feel was fast enough to be still in the public consciousness. So they said he couldn't come back to the project, and they brought on Matthew Vaughn (director of Layer Cake), who kicked out a script in a week with Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg. This is, roughly, the script the movie is based on. A script written in a week, which wasn't quite finalized as the movie was nearly halfway through production. Vaughn left the project before it started -- due to a family death -- and FOX nabbed Ratner as he was coming off a couple music video shoots (Jessica Simpson's "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'" and a Mariah Carey video), and since then, Rothman has mysteriously decided to fuck around with the budget and slimmed down on both pre and post-production time. The movie, before production, already had a release date in mind -- but unlike, say Terminator 2 or War of The Worlds (which started production almost exactly one year to the day of their release), production only began about eight months ago, and there were additions and subtractions to the script as production went on. Complete sequences were cut and added, shortened and expanded. What does this mean? Well, it signals that the effects aren't going to be as up to snuff as they could and should be, for the third part in a popular series (watch Juggernaut break through that wall. Look closely at the breaking portion). And when you're adding and subtracting to the script, expect more plot holes. And when you give Halle Berry her way (she's bitched about Storm being more of a supporting character since the original X-Men -- she feels that, as an Oscar-winning actress, she should have at least the second-most screentime of any actor in the movie... even though she hates the X-Men franchise), expect more shitty presentation of Storm as a character. Expect more badly acted lines.

I've written a hell of a lot -- but that is the storied production of X3 up to this point. And mostly why I'm not looking forward to it as much as, say, Superman Returns or Spider-Man 3 or even Ghost Rider.

Anyway, if we ever see another X-Men movie, it'll most likely be from Paramount. They have a distribution/production deal with Marvel that basically is for all rights that Marvel has to charfacters -- meaning when the production/distribution rights for X-Men return to Marvel after this, Paramount gets first dibs, if Marvel doesn't make the movie themselves (which, apparently, is the plan for most of their comics that are not currently sitting in another company's hands).

Now, how much does this trailer reveal? (Do NOT click on the spoiler link if you don't want to find out some of the major reveals of the movie.)

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

At 1:11 in, you see a dead Cyclops.

At 2:18 in, you see Rebecca Rojmin-Stamos "normalized", and -- essentially -- dying.

And at 2:12 in... it's the beginning of the death of Charles Xavier. Yes, they kill the two leaders of X-Men, to give Storm a bigger role.



If anyone read all of that, congratulations.

shananigans

shananigans

Oakland, CA
July 2005

MAR 08, 2006 08:22 PM

Drake said:
Wait, what exactly did they borrow from Astonishing? I didn't pick up on that at all. If anything it's borrowing from Ultimate X-Men. Which seems reasonable to me?



The story about there being a cure for mutancy was the beginning of the latest Astonishing X-Men story written by Joss Whedon.

btw, if they were smart they would have had Joss write the script.

William_Miller

William_Miller

South Berwick, ME
January 2005

MAR 08, 2006 08:35 PM

MethodicWays said:
btw, if they were smart they would have had Joss write the script.



He helped write the script for the first one. And we ended up with the EVER-SO-CLASSIC "do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?" line because of it.

Although he did also write "How do we know it's you?"
"You're a dick."
"... Okay."

Dr. Rao is also somewhere in the movie, apparently.

max_traffic

max_traffic

Granada Hills, CA
December 2004

MAR 08, 2006 08:56 PM

Bravo to William_Miller for that astute and accurate rundown.

FYI

James Marsden (Cyclops) almost walked due to Superman conflicts and a strong dislike of ratner. But was contractually obligated.

Alan Cummings (Nighcrawler) walked because he hated 6hrs of make-up almost as much as he hated Ratner.

Halle Berry shoulda never had the role. Angela Basset (Strange Days) shoulda got the part.

Luckilly Vaughn, Penn and Kinberg may have had enough of a hand in pre-production to pitch the ball half way.

But alas Ratner will definetly screw it up, more than Rothman ever could dreamed.

Ok. All geek'd out now.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

MAR 08, 2006 09:00 PM

MarginWalker2002 said:
SO, the new muties this time around are:

Pieter Rasputin aka Colossus



Even though he only had one line in the last one it pissed me off to no end that he sounded like a fucking farmboy. He's Russian you douchebags!

/nerd

J24U

J24U

Danvers, MA
February 2006

MAR 08, 2006 09:07 PM

max_traffic said:
Halle Berry shoulda never had the role. Angela Basset (Strange Days) shoulda got the part.
QUOTE]

word.

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