I think any attempt to seek sex can be seen as preditory. Keeping in mind that predation is the natural seeking of living beings to satisfy a drive. I don't think the problem is so much with homosexuality as with sexuality in general, and the fact that we have gotten squemish with the FACT THAT WE ARE PREDITORS.
Unless we happen to be uberplatonic vegans, in which case we are mearly irritating.
cooljimmyd said:
I think any attempt to seek sex can be seen as preditory. Keeping in mind that predation is the natural seeking of living beings to satisfy a drive. I don't think the problem is so much with homosexuality as with sexuality in general, and the fact that we have gotten squemish with the FACT THAT WE ARE PREDITORS.
Unless we happen to be uberplatonic vegans, in which case we are mearly irritating.
James
Preditor pride!
I'd say that predator implies sex without consent.
Jaxtrble said:
Let me put it this way, Brokeback was supposed to be a film about forbidden love. Calling Jake 'sexual predator' simply because he pursued Enis is like calling Romeo a stalker cause he came to Juliet's window, and they defied their families for love. Jake knew that Enis loved him and it was only his own fear of the reactions of family and community that kept him from being with Jake.
Exactly. For any of thousands of movies that came out within the last year featuring a consensual heterosexual pursuit, you will not find a single review condemning any of the willing straights as "sexual predators". Unless the character is a rapist. Or a child molester. But if you're gay, it's enough to just pursue someone else for a completely consensual romance. Then you're a sexual predator.
And I know Gene Shalit wants to play the "I have a gay son" card, but what he said was still homophobic. Dick Cheney has a gay daughter, but he's more than happy to help enshrine homophobia in the nation's legal code. It's even worse when someone who should know better does it.
pearldiver said:
Can't we all just talk about MOTHERFUCKIN' SNAKES ON A PLANE??
For Real! Theres some Snakes on the goddamn plane people. this isnt a joke! what you want to get bite on the ass? I suggest somebody do something about it...We all know we cant rust sam to save us after watching him fuck up with Sidious. he just isnt qualified for the job anymore.
Jaxtrble said:
Let me put it this way, Brokeback was supposed to be a film about forbidden love. Calling Jake 'sexual predator' simply because he pursued Enis is like calling Romeo a stalker cause he came to Juliet's window, and they defied their families for love. Jake knew that Enis loved him and it was only his own fear of the reactions of family and community that kept him from being with Jake.
Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but I think that GLAAD has a point.
I disagree. Well, I agree with your analysis. I can't see Jake as a sexual predator at all. But then, the Romeo & Juliette comparison falls apart when you consider that Jack wasn't exactly faithful. I just don't think that you can show his opinion of a character in a movie as grounded in homophobia when it may be that he simply does not like the movie.
I hated that cunt in Harold and Maude. I see her as being a completely self-centered, cynical piece of shit. Many people disagree with me, but I'm sure an old folks group could say something about how I would have thought it was funny and endearing were the character young and attractive. Or something like that. GLAAD didn't even pressure the man to justify his statement, just an apology.
ok, i didnt like the movie, but thats only because it was SO OBVIOUS that ledger didnt want to be in it. He seemed so uncomfortable and forced through the whole thing. Its not like he didnt know his character was gay when he accepted the script, but his uncomfort level ruined it for me.
As for GLAAD, sometimes the go to far, and make things an issue when its not. The whole "PC" has been taken too far in lot of instances.
mellisa said:
ok, i didnt like the movie, but thats only because it was SO OBVIOUS that ledger didnt want to be in it. He seemed so uncomfortable and forced through the whole thing. Its not like he didnt know his character was gay when he accepted the script, but his uncomfort level ruined it for me.
Everything I've read about Ledger's decision to take the role contradicts that statement.
mellisa said:
ok, i didnt like the movie, but thats only because it was SO OBVIOUS that ledger didnt want to be in it. He seemed so uncomfortable and forced through the whole thing. Its not like he didnt know his character was gay when he accepted the script, but his uncomfort level ruined it for me.
Everything I've read about Ledger's decision to take the role contradicts that statement.
Plus, virtually everyone who saw the movie has said that his performance was brilliant.
mellisa said:
ok, i didnt like the movie, but thats only because it was SO OBVIOUS that ledger didnt want to be in it. He seemed so uncomfortable and forced through the whole thing. Its not like he didnt know his character was gay when he accepted the script, but his uncomfort level ruined it for me.
Everything I've read about Ledger's decision to take the role contradicts that statement.
Plus, virtually everyone who saw the movie has said that his performance was brilliant.
im not saying anything about what he said, nor am i saying he was bad. as an actor hes fine. But for me, thats the vibe I got from him. not everyone takes the same thing from a movie or from a performance. This is the beauty of personal opinions.
Although in defence of Shalit... someone like Bertolt Brecht might say that because this relationship is not something that most people are comfortable with, it takes them out of the movie, it alienates them from the story, prevents them from being absorbed into it and forgetting its a movie, and causes them to be more critical of what's going on in the story. Perhaps this film will act as a catalyst to change the way Shalit looks at relationships and his views on Jake's character will translate into other films.
mellisa said:
ok, i didnt like the movie, but thats only because it was SO OBVIOUS that ledger didnt want to be in it. He seemed so uncomfortable and forced through the whole thing. Its not like he didnt know his character was gay when he accepted the script, but his uncomfort level ruined it for me.
Everything I've read about Ledger's decision to take the role contradicts that statement.
Plus, virtually everyone who saw the movie has said that his performance was brilliant.
im not saying anything about what he said, nor am i saying he was bad. as an actor hes fine. But for me, thats the vibe I got from him. not everyone takes the same thing from a movie or from a performance. This is the beauty of personal opinions.
I personally got an uncomfortable vibe as well, but I translated that as being the character's discomfort with his own homosexual tendencies and desires.
cooljimmyd
Edmonds, WA
January 2006
FEB 05, 2006 10:32 PM