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Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

FEB 05, 2006 12:37 PM

Of all the people that I imagine might offend the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, Gene Shalit ranks somewhere between Richard Simmons and Clay Aiken. But his harsh review of Brokeback Mountain, wherein he describes Gyllenhaal's character as a "sexual predator", has done just that.

The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation accused him of inciting homophobia with his comments, which aired Jan. 5, and demanded an apology.

On Tuesday, GLAAD said it received a statement from Shalit, saying, "In describing the behavior of "Jack" I used words ("sexual predator"wink that I now discover have angered, agitated, and hurt many people. I did not intend to use a word that many in the gay community consider incendiary. . . . I certainly had no intention of casting aspersions on anyone in the gay community or on the community itself. I regret any emotional hurt that may have resulted from my review of 'Brokeback Mountain.' "


Coming to Shalit's defense was his gay son, Peter Shalit.

"It is precisely because my dad is not homophobic that he felt free to criticize the movie as he saw it," wrote Peter Shalit, a gay physician and author who lives in Seattle and is a longtime supporter of GLAAD.

Shalit said he felt GLAAD's press release about the NBC Today show review, broadcast on Thursday, was a "mischaracterization" of his father[...]

By suggesting Gene Shalit was homophobic, GLAAD had "defamed a good man, by falsely accusing him of a repellent form of bigotry," Peter Shalit wrote[...]

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

FEB 05, 2006 04:42 PM

Can't a person criticize a member of a minority without it being a criticism of the minority group as a whole? GLAAD ought to observe the distinction between the two.

I'm also annoyed by the fact that I can't find a copy of Shalit's review. Maybe I'd find reason to agree with GLAAD if I could read what he actually said. I personally didn't see Jack as a predator, but I don't think the fact that Shalit's opinion is different than my own qualifies him as a bigot.

[Edited on Feb 05, 2006 by Hooraydiation]

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 05, 2006 05:59 PM

News....as in.....a month-old story? confused

BurningKrome

BurningKrome

San Jose, CA
April 2005

FEB 05, 2006 06:03 PM

I can't find the review either...but what’s frustrating is, he didn't even criticize a member of the gay community...he criticized the actions of an individual. The fact that it was a gay relationship seems to be immaterial to the review.

Well, actually, he criticized a fictional character, who's actions could be construed as inappropriate and also happens to be gay. So I guess that means he is really criticizing the actor, or the screen writer, or maybe the producers...? Are any of them gay?

Fuck it. I think I'm going to start the "Anti human being defamation league" so you can't say anything about anybody without getting sued. Ought to be profitable.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

FEB 05, 2006 06:05 PM

Cash said:
News....as in.....a month-old story? confused


Oh, piss off.

theseeman

theseeman

Asheville, NC
December 2002

FEB 05, 2006 06:06 PM

Shalit showed class with the letter but it would have cool for him to say, "My son is gay. Fuck you."

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

FEB 05, 2006 06:09 PM

theseeman said:
Shalit showed class with the letter but it would have cool for him to say, "My son is gay. Fuck you."


From what my google search turned up, people knew his son was gay and just assumed Gene hated him for it (or thought that he was gay because a Jake G. predator got to him).

[Edited on Feb 05, 2006 by Hooraydiation]

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

FEB 05, 2006 06:11 PM

Like I said, they're a bunch of pansies. whatever

Why are these even newsworthy anymore?

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

FEB 05, 2006 06:13 PM

AceTracer said:
Why are these even newsworthy anymore?



It's a conspiracy designed to piss you off. Seriously.

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

FEB 05, 2006 06:22 PM

Clov said:

AceTracer said:
Why are these even newsworthy anymore?



It's a conspiracy designed to piss you off. Seriously.


It feels like more people are conspiring every day, soon they'll be on my lawn.

grahf

grahf

New York, NY
September 2002

FEB 05, 2006 06:53 PM

I assume there's a history of negatively stereotyping gay people as sexual predators? If so, I can see how it could be problematic regardless of whether that was his intention (or whether the character is in fact a sexual predator or not). It would be like describing a black character as "lazy", "unintelligent", and "a thief". Some people will be offended by it, and some prejudiced idiots will feel vindicated. That's just how things are.

Even given that though, it seems to me that GLAAD massively overreacted.

Shalit has every right as a film critic to criticize 'Brokeback Mountain,'" the group said in an e-mail alert to LGBT activists. "But his baseless branding of Jack as a 'sexual predator' merely because he is romantically interested in someone of the same sex is defamatory, ignorant and irresponsible.


Am I missing something? They seem to be making the unfounded assumption that Shalit called Jack a sexual predator just because he was gay, rather than because Shalit thought he acted like a sexual predator. I suppose it is GLAAD's sole purpose to call out people for being homophobic, but here they see homophobia where an IMO reasonable person would just see a disagreement about the character. It's like the saying goes, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

FEB 05, 2006 07:03 PM

It sounds to me sort of like the NAACP criticizing shalet for calling a Samuel L. Jackson character ignorant. whatever

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

FEB 05, 2006 07:26 PM

That's one count for the use of non-praise in a review of Brokeback Mountain, and another for the use of "predator" to describe a non-heterosexual. Sorry Gene, you're going to gay hell.

With luck and your prayers he may qualify for gay purgatory, where you're forced to watch The Celluloid Closet in a loop until you start finding homoeroticism where there isn't any.

[Edited on Feb 05, 2006 by Jeff_Fries]

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

FEB 05, 2006 07:39 PM

alpha_hazard said:
It sounds to me sort of like the NAACP criticizing shalet for calling a Samuel L. Jackson character ignorant. whatever


How can you call a Samuel L. Jackson character ignorant when he's trying to save us from some goddamned motherfucking SNAKES ON A PLANE?!?!

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

FEB 05, 2006 07:58 PM

grahf said:
I assume there's a history of negatively stereotyping gay people as sexual predators?



If by "history" you mean "present", then yes. Gays are regarded as sexual predators and child molesters by default.

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

FEB 05, 2006 07:59 PM

s5 said:

grahf said:
I assume there's a history of negatively stereotyping gay people as sexual predators?



If by "history" you mean "present", then yes. Gays are regarded as sexual predators and child molesters by default.


If anything they're regarded as slightly desexed but fashion-savvy.

[Edited on Feb 05, 2006 by Jeff_Fries]

sometimesaway

sometimesaway

Portland, OR
June 2005

FEB 05, 2006 08:36 PM

Jeff_Fries said:

s5 said:

grahf said:
I assume there's a history of negatively stereotyping gay people as sexual predators?



If by "history" you mean "present", then yes. Gays are regarded as sexual predators and child molesters by default.


If anything they're regarded as slightly desexed but fashion-savvy.

[Edited on Feb 05, 2006 by Jeff_Fries]





and what school district did you attend?

Homophobia is still as strong as it's ever been. Kids casually dropping remarks in the hall, ignorant remarks straight out of teachers/principals/parents mouths.

In the community I work it, one would rather be dead than considered queer. And this is in Portland!

Trends in movies and media in some ways help the steps towards reality-based perceptions of queer and/or homosexual individuals. But the path to true distigmatization is still far in the future.

Listen to your local religious station for an hour. Duck into your school districts and smell out the vibe. It's crazy out there still.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

FEB 05, 2006 08:42 PM

Jeff_Fries said:

s5 said:

grahf said:
I assume there's a history of negatively stereotyping gay people as sexual predators?



If by "history" you mean "present", then yes. Gays are regarded as sexual predators and child molesters by default.


If anything they're regarded as slightly desexed but fashion-savvy.

[Edited on Feb 05, 2006 by Jeff_Fries]


Well, yeah, if your only source of how the public perceives homosexuals is watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and Will and Grace. And if you ignore, you know, how a large percentage of Americans perceive gays.

tyten

tyten

Columbia, MO
November 2004

FEB 05, 2006 08:47 PM

oh yes, how DARE he criticize the gay community's "Passion of the Christ"

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

FEB 05, 2006 09:12 PM

Clov said:

Jeff_Fries said:

s5 said:

grahf said:
I assume there's a history of negatively stereotyping gay people as sexual predators?



If by "history" you mean "present", then yes. Gays are regarded as sexual predators and child molesters by default.


If anything they're regarded as slightly desexed but fashion-savvy.


Well, yeah, if your only source of how the public perceives homosexuals is watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and Will and Grace. And if you ignore, you know, how a large percentage of Americans perceive gays.


I'm sure they turn off their sets and remark how funny those child molesters are and remember that real gays are child molesters.

alpha_hazard

alpha_hazard

Fort Collins, CO
April 2004

FEB 05, 2006 09:59 PM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

alpha_hazard said:
It sounds to me sort of like the NAACP criticizing shalet for calling a Samuel L. Jackson character ignorant. whatever


How can you call a Samuel L. Jackson character ignorant when he's trying to save us from some goddamned motherfucking SNAKES ON A PLANE?!?!



Snakes on a Plane is a masterpiece of film, so I'm not knocking it. I'm refering to the incident with Sidius...that was just plain sad.

Oh, and who gets eaten by a shark fifty feet from water?
biggrin

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

FEB 05, 2006 10:02 PM

Jeff_Fries said:

Clov said:

Jeff_Fries said:

s5 said:

grahf said:
I assume there's a history of negatively stereotyping gay people as sexual predators?



If by "history" you mean "present", then yes. Gays are regarded as sexual predators and child molesters by default.


If anything they're regarded as slightly desexed but fashion-savvy.


Well, yeah, if your only source of how the public perceives homosexuals is watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and Will and Grace. And if you ignore, you know, how a large percentage of Americans perceive gays.


I'm sure they turn off their sets and remark how funny those child molesters are and remember that real gays are child molesters.



Or maybe they just don't watch those shows?

ThrottleBitch

ThrottleBitch

Emeryville, CA
November 2005

FEB 05, 2006 10:13 PM

Considering that Republician politicians regularly equate homosexuality to beastiality and pedophilia, I would say that we are possibly regarded as desexed and fashion-savvy in some communities but this is not the majority. I regularly deal with homophobia both in Seattle and when I am traveling for work. I have had teenage girls scream things at me in outdoor malls about how disgusting I am, men in cars yell things as they drive past, and a host of other things that I try not to think about. Homophobia is rampant, and I don't know about Shalit's views, but I can say that I certainly don't feel safe in the majority of America.

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

FEB 05, 2006 10:29 PM

The sheep do nothing special as they bleet around the bush, but Jack and Ennis do do something special. They have sex. Jack, who strikes me as a sexual predator, tracks Ennis down and coaxes him into sporadic trysts. But sporadic isn’t frequent enough for Jack. He wants Ennis full time! He whines, he pleads, he shouts that when they’re apart, he’s desolated. Jack can’t absorb Ennis’ implied response: better desolate than never! Heath Ledger’s performance under Ang Lee’s direction is outstanding, and Brokeback does have a few dramatic peaks. But this may be because its unconventional theme is outside the buns, it is being wildly overpraised. Not by me!



That seems like all he had to say on the movie. I'm irritated by his poor review which focuses on what I think is a misinterpretation of the character and misses a lot of what made the movie good, but i'm still not inclined to call him a bigot (at least not enough to make a public statement about it).

ThrottleBitch

ThrottleBitch

Emeryville, CA
November 2005

FEB 05, 2006 10:29 PM

Let me put it this way, Brokeback was supposed to be a film about forbidden love. Calling Jake 'sexual predator' simply because he pursued Enis is like calling Romeo a stalker cause he came to Juliet's window, and they defied their families for love. Jake knew that Enis loved him and it was only his own fear of the reactions of family and community that kept him from being with Jake.

Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but I think that GLAAD has a point.

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