NEWS: ABC News Team Seriously Injured in Iraq

CULTURE: ABC News Team Seriously Injured in Iraq

79 journalists have been killed since this clusterfuck began.



We almost hit 80 and 81 when ABC anchorman Bob Woodruff and his cameraman, Doug Vogt, were seriously injured by a roadside bomb in Iraq today.

And, of course, keep in mind the plight of Jill Carroll, the end result still unknown.



It just seems to get worse and worse.

Maybe the journalists should stay out of Iraq.

misfit, out of curiousity, do you say the same thing when you hear about soldiers dying?

Both are doing their jobs and both know the risks, but that doesn't make the casualites any less significant.

[Edited on Jan 29, 2006 by SexyBeast]

Being a Soldier myself, I know the risk and am willing to risk my life. But what is the journalist job in Iraq? To the Soldiers their job seems to be to fuck us over every chance they get. The media does not report the truth about what goes no in Iraq. They report only the news that makes us look bad. They seem to forget that we are helping people there. It seems to us Soldiers that the hospitals and schools we open aren't news worthy, that the medicine we give out isn't worth telling the people back home. Or how about the illegal French missiles we found over there, is that news worthy? Did you know that, that the French were selling missiles to the Iraqis during the embargo? Or that chemical munitions were found there? But these reports didn't make the news. Why is that? But when a Soldier kills someone trying to kill him, that makes the news. Why is it that when we do our job and the press is there we always come out the badguys? I believe that Iraq and Afghanistan is no place for journalists. They seem to make my job harder. I'm not saying that they should be killed, not at all. They shouldn't be there to begin with. I wish that no harm comes to the journalists. I just want to do my job without the press making into something it's not.

[Edited on Jan 29, 2006 6:09PM]

Go and get rooted.

The journalists role in Iraq is to try to give the rest of the world some vague sort of understanding of what life is like there, what the international forces are doing and going through, and what the future holds for Iraq. Some of the reports coming from Australian journos alone have been incredibly detailed and interesting... dare I say vital? Iraq is the biggest story in the world right now, and has been for a couple of years. Any journalist willing to cover it is a bloody hero, as far as I'm concerned.

congratulations. nice choice of threads for this too.

Nobody take this the wrong way as I am a serving member but the way I see it if all jurnalists stoped reporting on the war and anything that happens in Iraq unless it is run of the mill like we here from any othere country then the power this fanatics have is lost as they can no longer instill fear or any other emotion with in ppl and it becomes a naught campainge by then with the only affect them having is on there OWN Fucking PPL resutling in the ppl getting sick of dying for no reason so they fight back of there own accord

Their job is to cover the war. This has been a job of journalists for longer than either of us has been alive. Journalists in this country have been covering war since we were a fledgling nation fighting for our independence.

I really tend to disagree with how you see this. I do not think the issue is that the journalists fail to report all of the good things that our soldiers are doing over there. I think it's probably more that there are so many more horrible and horrendous things going on over there that those stories seem to dominate our news coverage.

They do make the job of the American military harder, and they should. It is a good thing that our military must act with the world watching. It is a good thing that the military must be held accountable for their actions. And I'm sorry if this upsets our soldiers. While I, like many others, appreciate the sacrifices that our soldiers have made throughout history and continue to make today, many of us feel that YOU should not be over there. We as a country have made some huge mistakes over the last few years. We invaded a sovereign nation without just cause and without the approval of our world's largest governing body. We have killed countless civilians, destroyed families and caused even more unrest. We as the citizens of the United States have the right to know what our tax dollars are doing in this conflict and the journalists are making many sacrifices to bring us this information.

I greatly regret all losses that have been suffered in the middle east: military and civilian, American and Iraqi. I hope we soon can find another way.


[Edited on Jan 29, 2006 by hostileintent]

RIGHT ON


Anyone who needs an example of my many references to people growing some fucking balls only needs to read this.


Misfit762 I you. Thank you for keeping us safe.

yeah you know that american balls shortage has really been a big problem lately.

RIGHT ON


Anyone who needs an example of my many references to people growing some fucking balls only needs to read this.


Misfit762 I you. Thank you for keeping us safe.

While I agree that our soldiers demonstrate tremendous bravery, I wonder what it is they are keeping us safe from. A shortage of oil perhaps?


[Edited on Jan 29, 2006 8:28PM]

That first portion was supposed to be an excerpt from Shicawgo.

As much as we all love arguing over the need for troops in the Middle East. Lets not forget that this story is about Woodruff and Vogt. Not the military and oil.
Hmm the reply button must be working funny today.

[Edited on Jan 29, 2006 10:59PM]
You're right. We sort of lost the point didn't we.

Yeah, only soldiers and innocent civilians should get killed by roadside bombs.

Exactly!

Word!

Its hard to fight a war with ethics when your enemies is many cases don't have ethics. The reporter took the risk and lost, but the people we are fighting against will count it as a victory

[Edited on Jan 30, 2006 12:54AM]

I don't fault any of our soldiers for being in Iraq. They were sent there by our government. I don't justify any of the horrible things that have been done over there like torture and rape, and I don't look past the good things our soldiers have done like build schools and hand out medicine.

The fact is that America should not be in Iraq. Case closed.

The U.S. took it upon ourselves once again to play the world's peacekeepers when we can't even take care of our own homeland. We have record numbers of homeless in our streets. Pay wages are an insult compared to the cost of living. We have a health care system that is in shambles. We have no plans for helping, either medically or financially, those who retire in this country. Unemployment is ridiculous.

But of course we have time to steal oil...oh, I mean find weapons of mass destruction...oh I mean, take a dictator out of power...oh I mean take out the country that somehow had something to do with 9/11...oh, what's the excuse why we attacked Iraq this week? I forget.

Fact is the journalists are there to keep an eye on the war in Iraq. The fact that they are just the latest casualty in this bastard of a war is just another indicator that things are not even close to being fixed there.

And someone said thanks for keeping us safe? I don't remember Iraq ever once stepping foot on American soil and taking the lives of innocent Americans. I can say that we have destroyed thousands of families in Iraq though. So who is going to save us from us?

The last report has them arriving at Landstuhl. If they are stable enough to transport that is a good sign.

Not to burst anyone's bubble but if you have a nurse and two paramedics in a medical transport than, in theory, anyone is "stable enough to transport" no matter how seriously injured they are. Over here we have CCT (Critical Care Transport) teams in most metropolitan areas who take the worst of the worst cases (the ones needing immediate primary care) to hospitals. All that being said Landstuhl does have a World-Class facility and I'm sure they'll do fine.

Isn't anyone going to stop repeating each other and maybe develop an original and individual opinion on this stuff.

Journalists haven't quite picked up on the fact that the people saying "we're just in Iraq for the oil" bitch and complain the loudest when the price of gas goes up by twenty cents.

Yes, we have a bigger problem here in the U.S. that SHOULD have been dealt with before the administration ever thought about going to war.

My question is, since you've brought it up: Are you maybe trying to do anything to increase pay wages? Or improve the health care system? Or Umemployment?
I find that the people who bitch the loudest, usually do the least. Or just forget to mention that they're really doing anything to help other than just chatting on the internet.

Oh, and I was sad to hear about Bob and Doug. Good men as far as I good tell. I would wish them a speedy recovery.

[Edited on Jan 30, 2006 7:26AM]

3 times...I read it 3 times and I still can't figure out what you're trying to say.

To paraphrase:

Hey, ignorance is bliss peaople, be ignorant or I will beat the tar out of you.

My Own comment:
If you ever actually listened to a jourtnalist who has reported form Iraq you would hear the same thing, it is too unsafe there to report on much. Why should they send out reporters to die so a school being opened in bumfuck baghdad can get in the papers? Until it is safe there journalsts will mostly be reporting on how unsafe it is there.

Can't handle it? The truth hurts sometimes. America has forgotten.

-drjones

Part of it is what many journalists expect out of soldier's and vice-versa. My wife's ex-SO did three combat tours in Vietnam and is now a journalist. He's been over to Iraq to cover the war at least once.

I rather suspect he didn't get in the way of the soldiers. I know that he gets the soldiers' sides of the stories. For example, when Moby claimed that a certain letter from a soldier was obvious government propaganda, he found the soldier who wrote it.

Unfortunately, he writes for a small city newspapers and doesn't get much coverage beyond there. More journalists like him -- who know what soldiers actually do -- and I think we would have a better idea of what is going on in the war from

[Edited on Jan 30, 2006 12:43PM]