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dem_z

United Kingdom
June 2004

JAN 27, 2006 09:09 AM

Sir Ian Blair, head of Metropolitan Police told a conference that the UK media was "institutionally racist".

Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair has accused the media of "institutional racism" in its reporting of murders.

The head of London's police said murders in minority communities appeared "not to interest the mainstream media".

He highlighted the difference in coverage of the recent murders of white lawyer Tom ap Rhys Pryce and Asian builders' merchant Balbir Matharu.

He was speaking at the Metropolitan Police Authority's monthly meeting.

He had been asked if the capital's police gave a "proportional response" to all murders.

"I am pretty furious. We do devote the same level of resources to murders in relation to their difficulty," he said.

"What the difference is, is how these are reported. I actually believe that the media is guilty of institutional racism in the way they report deaths.

"That death of the young lawyer was terrible, but an Asian man was dragged to his death, a woman was chopped up in Lewisham, a chap shot in the head in a Trident murder - they got a paragraph on page 97.


He has a good point. Compare the coverage of the Soham murders (two young white girls) with an equally horrible attack, Adam Morrell (a young black boy).

Adam was abducted by a gang of teenagers, tortured for several hours, killed, then chopped into pieces. His body parts were scattered around town. That case got very little coverage; how many SG:UKers have heard the name "Adam Morrell"? I think that all of them know about Soham.

Criticising the UK press is a risky business. I reckon he'll have to suffer pages of abuse from the red top rags who had reams of coverage of Soham.

Buster_Bluth

Buster_Bluth

Los Angeles, CA
January 2004

JAN 27, 2006 11:13 AM

Trident murder? Hmm, the police might want to take a look at this guy:

sixbysix

sixbysix

United Kingdom
December 2004

JAN 27, 2006 11:38 AM

Institutionally racist, sexist, homophobic... take your pick, the Sun's got it all. They take dead aim at their preferred readership- the racist, sexist, homophobes of our fair nation who seemingly number high enough to make the Sun (et al) so successful. I couldn't help but laugh bitterly as they accused Abu Hamza of inciting racial hatred, when the whole newspaper industry is much more accomplished at perpetrating this.

Chitin

Chitin

New York, NY
December 2004

JAN 27, 2006 11:57 AM

This is true of the media in the US too. Hundreds of kids go missing every day, but the moment it's a blonde haired, blue eyed white girl... whatever

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 12:08 PM

Chitin said:
This is true of the media in the US too. Hundreds of kids go missing every day, but the moment it's a blonde haired, blue eyed white girl... whatever



Of those hundreds of kids who go missing each day...how many of them disappear under suspicious curcumstances, with ominous overtones, while on a school-sponsored, international fieldtrip?

Of those cases where there are suspects...how many of the suspects are the children of high-profile members of a foreign judicial system?


PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 27, 2006 12:13 PM

Cash said:

Chitin said:
This is true of the media in the US too. Hundreds of kids go missing every day, but the moment it's a blonde haired, blue eyed white girl... whatever



Of those hundreds of kids who go missing each day...how many of them disappear under suspicious curcumstances, with ominous overtones, while on a school-sponsored, international fieldtrip?

Of those cases where there are suspects...how many of the suspects are the children of high-profile members of a foreign judicial system?


At exactly the same time of this case, a young girl went missing in Pennsylvania, she was young, attractive and most importantly went missing in this country, where she might have been found. There was no attention paid in the mass media because she was black. Period.

The main suspect being the son of a judge wasn't discovered until the media frenzy was well underway, you know. You don't remember the two security guards who had their names slandered by the press before they were exonerated? Wonder what race they were?

[Edited on Jan 27, 2006 by PointBlank]

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

JAN 27, 2006 12:35 PM

Same thing happens in this country whenever a pretty young white girl is kidnapped.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 12:48 PM

PointBlank said:
At exactly the same time of this case, a young girl went missing in Pennsylvania, she was young, attractive and most importantly went missing in this country, where she might have been found. There was no attention paid in the mass media because she was black. Period.



Right. There was a reporter who got wind of an attractive missing child in Pennsylvania...but shelved the idea when he found out she was black.

OR:

Maybe a black reporter covered the story and when she brought the story to her editor...the editor laughed and said "Simmons...what are you crazy? We can't run this story...She's BLACK for God's sake"

Do I think there's a certain degree of racism in virtually every aspect of life...yes, probably. However, your assertion that the story wasn't run with the same zeal as the Holloway story ONLY because the missing girl was black...fucking ludicrous. I find that line of thinking almost as despicable as overt racism.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 27, 2006 12:51 PM

Cash said:

PointBlank said:
At exactly the same time of this case, a young girl went missing in Pennsylvania, she was young, attractive and most importantly went missing in this country, where she might have been found. There was no attention paid in the mass media because she was black. Period.



Right. There was a reporter who got wind of an attractive missing child in Pennsylvania...but shelved the idea when he found out she was black.

OR:

Maybe a black reporter covered the story and when she brought the story to her editor...the editor laughed and said "Simmons...what are you crazy? We can't run this story...She's BLACK for God's sake"


Yeah, If you think that's how racism happens, then I guess it wasn't racist. I also don't think there's much reasoning with you.

Name the last high-profile case of kidnapping where the victim was black.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JAN 27, 2006 12:56 PM

PointBlank said:

Cash said:

PointBlank said:
At exactly the same time of this case, a young girl went missing in Pennsylvania, she was young, attractive and most importantly went missing in this country, where she might have been found. There was no attention paid in the mass media because she was black. Period.



Right. There was a reporter who got wind of an attractive missing child in Pennsylvania...but shelved the idea when he found out she was black.

OR:

Maybe a black reporter covered the story and when she brought the story to her editor...the editor laughed and said "Simmons...what are you crazy? We can't run this story...She's BLACK for God's sake"


Yeah, If you think that's how racism happens, then I guess it wasn't racist. I also don't think there's much reasoning with you.

Name the last high-profile case of kidnapping where the victim was black.




Rilya Wilson.


Well, okay, that's not exactly kidnapping, but it's a "missing child" case that was well-publicized.

[Edited on Jan 27, 2006 by Shalome]

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 12:56 PM

PointBlank said:
Yeah, If you think that's how racism happens, then I guess it wasn't racist. I also don't think there's much reasoning with you.

Name the last high-profile case of kidnapping where the victim was black.



There's no reasoning with me because I don't suffer the same degree of white guilt that you do?

To be honest...I can't remember the last high-profile kidnapping case other than Natalee Holloway...regardless of the race of the victim. I only remember her because it was so recent...and plastered everywhere.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 01:04 PM

...and as far as the national media in the US not covering African-American children...do a little search for Raymond & Vanessa Jackson....then look up Fahim Williams. Granted, those are cases of abuse & murder respectively...not kidnapping, but they're not getting swept under the rug in exchange for higher-profile "white" cases as you would have me believe.

[Edited on Jan 27, 2006 by Cash]

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 27, 2006 01:19 PM

Cash said:
Do I think there's a certain degree of racism in virtually every aspect of life...yes, probably. However, your assertion that the story wasn't run with the same zeal as the Holloway story ONLY because the missing girl was black...fucking ludicrous. I find that line of thinking almost as despicable as overt racism.


Ludicrous? Look around: When a white girl is kidnapped, the media pays attention. When it's a black girl, they don't. Explain that. Not all racism is "overt" but this is one example where it is pretty damned overt. And I fail to see how accusing the media is anywhere near as damaging and offensive as outright racism is and has been historically.

It's this attitude that people have where accusations of racism become "almost as bad as" being a racist that is most disturbing.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 27, 2006 01:24 PM

Shalome said:

PointBlank said:

Cash said:

PointBlank said:
At exactly the same time of this case, a young girl went missing in Pennsylvania, she was young, attractive and most importantly went missing in this country, where she might have been found. There was no attention paid in the mass media because she was black. Period.



Right. There was a reporter who got wind of an attractive missing child in Pennsylvania...but shelved the idea when he found out she was black.

OR:

Maybe a black reporter covered the story and when she brought the story to her editor...the editor laughed and said "Simmons...what are you crazy? We can't run this story...She's BLACK for God's sake"


Yeah, If you think that's how racism happens, then I guess it wasn't racist. I also don't think there's much reasoning with you.

Name the last high-profile case of kidnapping where the victim was black.




Rilya Wilson.


Well, okay, that's not exactly kidnapping, but it's a "missing child" case that was well-publicized.

[Edited on Jan 27, 2006 by Shalome]


Yes, a case where the girl was abandoned, no one noticed she was missing for 16 fucking months, and wound up dead. But still, not as much attention as Elizabeth Smart, who was gone for nine months.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 27, 2006 01:26 PM

Look, no one sits down and says "we're not going to run this story because the girl is black." But that's not how institutionalized racism works. If you want to keep lobbing insults like "white guilt" at me, then fine. Go ahead. Heaven forbid anyone should actually look at the facts and see that *gasp* there is a lot of racism in the American press.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

JAN 27, 2006 01:27 PM

Two words: Laci Peterson

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 27, 2006 01:30 PM

Cash said:

PointBlank said:
Yeah, If you think that's how racism happens, then I guess it wasn't racist. I also don't think there's much reasoning with you.

Name the last high-profile case of kidnapping where the victim was black.



There's no reasoning with me because I don't suffer the same degree of white guilt that you do?


Cutting off what I was actually responding to (your laughable idea of how racism works) in order to paint me as suffering from white guilt is pretty lame. If you can't argue your point, then don't bother.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 01:36 PM

PointBlank said:
Heaven forbid anyone should actually look at the facts and see that *gasp* there is a lot of racism in the American press.



You're not presenting fact. You're presenting your opinion.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

JAN 27, 2006 01:46 PM

So where are your facts, Cash?

When Laci Peterson was missing there were prime time specials about her and Larry King was all over that shit ... but what about the numerous pregnant black women that go missing?

Do they get prime time coverage or a national call-in show with a guy that looks like an owl?

No. They get forgotten.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 01:46 PM

If you want to deal in facts...we can say that as of 2002 data, this country is 69% non-Hispanic caucasian and 13% African-American.Source

Given that information, would it be wholly irresponsible to think that the reason we don't see more cases of African-Americans being kidnapped might be because the overwhelming majority of people being kidnapped are white?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 27, 2006 01:47 PM

Cash said:

PointBlank said:
Heaven forbid anyone should actually look at the facts and see that *gasp* there is a lot of racism in the American press.



You're not presenting fact. You're presenting your opinion.


No, and I never said that I was. What I said, again, is that I'm LOOKING at the facts (that when the victim of crime is white the story is far more extensively reported on than when the victim is black) and coming to the conclusion (yes, my opinion) that there is media racism. You've chalked that up to my "white guilt." Fine.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 01:57 PM

crispy said:
So where are your facts, Cash?

When Laci Peterson was missing there were prime time specials about her and Larry King was all over that shit ... but what about the numerous pregnant black women that go missing?

Do they get prime time coverage or a national call-in show with a guy that looks like an owl?

No. They get forgotten.



I don't know...how many pretty, pregnant black women were murdered by their husbands in 2002?

Conversely how many unattractive, pregnant women were murdered by their husbands in 2002?

Do I believe that Laci Peterson's case was more visible because she was a pretty girl-next-door type? Absolutely, I do. Do I think it's because she was white? No, I do not.

Why did her case get big? First...Laci, Scott Peterson, Amber Frey...all of the principal characters are above-average looking. It also involved a pregnant woman, sex & murder...not to mention the piggy-backing of the religious right and Laci Peterson's parents using the case to further the case for deciding when a fetus is a person.

THAT'S why the Peterson case trumpes any of the others. You find me a more media-friendly case of a pregnant woman getting murdered by her husband...and I'll start to wonder. Until then...it's because of the sensational elements of the case...not the amount of melanin in the victim's skin that makes cases like this big.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 01:58 PM

PointBlank said:
What I said, again, is that I'm LOOKING at the facts (that when the victim of crime is white the story is far more extensively reported on than when the victim is black)



support your facts with documentation then.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 27, 2006 01:58 PM



Another story.

Amazing that other people have noticed this connection between race and media coverage, huh?



[Edited on Jan 27, 2006 by PointBlank]

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 27, 2006 02:01 PM

Tell me this then....why was the OJ Simpson case so publicized? Was it because of the sensational details of the case...or was it because he killed a pretty, white woman? Do you honestly think the Simpson case would have been buried in the back pages if Simpson's wife was Shaneequa Jackson instead of Nicole Brown?

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